Saturday 12 May 2012

Hazb ut Tahreer.


Arshad Ali and jamil behram commented on a post -  12:56






Arshad Ali

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They kidnap our dear brother from the streets in Pakistan. They will hear our voices from the streets of London and all over the world insha'Allah!

May Allah (swt) protect those who work for this noble call of Khilafah. Ameen

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They kidnap our dear brother from the streets in Pakistan. They will hear our voices from the streets of London and all over the world insha'Allah!

May Allah (swt) protect those who work for this noble call of Khilafah. Ameen

Please share as widely as possible.
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Muhammad Irfan Kas04:58Edit
Why you people try to defame Pakistan and Pakistan Army?

Arshad Ali05:00
Speak logically and tell me only one deed by the kiyaani and his thugs by that they are respectable.. 

Muhammad Irfan Kas05:20Edit
Be a Pakistani and do not defame Pakistan. What is the logic behind Hazb ut Tehrir?

jamil behram09:25
be a pakistani ?
alhamdulillah i'm muslim and islam is sufficient for me.
i don't need any nationalist approch.
ALLAH(swt) had made us(muslims) one ummah and hizb ut tahrir is a political party to re-establish the islamic state,i.e.KHILAFAH.

Muhammad Irfan Kas10:39Edit
First of all if you are a Muslim then you should not go against the country rules in which you are living.
And if you have so much intention of creating a Khilafat so just quit Pakistan, Alhamdolillah Muslims are living here and the Government is also of Muslim.
And if you go against the big part of Muslims you will be taken as a Baghi.

jamil behram11:28

http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/the-khilafah/issues/597-the-re-establishment-of-the-khilafah-is-an-obligation-upon-all-muslims
read this then we will discuss wether these so called leaders should be followed or not

Arshad Ali12:56
+Muhammad Irfan Kas uffffff yaar what you are saying... Leave the khilafah and Islam for a while. Just go to street and ask a common man about these rulers and your kiyaani. And then keep patient to listen their reply you would get your reply. hadd hoti hai khush fehmi or be khabri ki... Ap ahmqoon ki jannat me rehtay ho ... Ankhien kholo or koi news channel tune karrro sirf load shedding drown attack natto supply or amman ki laashaa ki khabrain sunana or analyse karna k pakistan k saath kia ho rha hai 

Muhammad Irfan Kas16:37Edit

My Dear if you have any proof then share with us.
I have not asked you about what the people are saying.
And I am fully aware what good people wish for General Kiani.
So please first answer these questions:

Any proof of whatever you are saying ?
What was the role of Musharraf?
And what is your authority to abuse the Army?
Abu Jahal was a Non Muslim. What do you think of Kayani?
Where will be Pakistan if there is no Army?
Whatever your problems are just solve it out in this Country. What is the reason of making fun in whole world?
We know this media is a Jew Media and what are the intentions of Hazb ut Tahrir for Pakistan?
Why Naveed Butt has been arrested? Can you explain what good deeds he has done for Pakistan?
The words you have mentioned for Kiani " Agva " and "send Gunda".
To whom are you abusing ?
It is in newpapers that Naveed Butt has been arrested. You are misguiding the people.
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jamil behramYesterday 22:38
kiyani betrayed kahsmiri people,while people are being killed there,while our sisters are being raped he is allowing zardari to deal with india.
our armed forces which were trainedto protect muslims are ordered by kiyani to kill people in waziristan.
kiyani meets with kuffar and helps them against mujahideen of afghanistan.and the list goes on.
and you still believe that kiyani is good.

Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 22:40Edit
Dear No Proof is provided.

Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 23:06Edit


Only by imposing every thing on Kayani will not work. You will have to provide proof also. Why should we believe on Liars?




jamil behramYesterday 10:43
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it is a lie that pakistani armed forces and civilian government are betraying the muslims of afghanistan.
is this a lie that pakistani armed forces along with civilian goverment is carrying operations in waziristan and killing our own people.
is this a lie that kashmiri sisters are being raped while our government along with armed forces are selling the blood of kahsmiri people ?

Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 15:25Edit
No Proof is provided.

Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 15:43Edit
Also let us know your views about Yazeed.

jamil behramYesterday 16:55
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what's your definition of proof ?

Muhammad Irfan Kas12:19Edit


Just take the dictionary and you will get the definition.
Also let us know your views about Yazeed.






jamil behram17:53
you are not interesting to understand anything . . you just want discussion for the sake f discussion .. "main na manonga" is your tag line.
isn't it a proof that kiyani is fighting their own people just for the sake of USA ?
don't you think kiyani is responsible for the drones attack ?
what do you want as proof ?
do you want an angel to be revealed on you ?
لَقَدۡ أَهۡلَكۡنَا ٱلۡقُرُونَ مِن قَبۡلِكُمۡ لَمَّا ظَلَمُواْ‌ۙ وَجَآءَتۡہُمۡ رُسُلُهُم بِٱلۡبَيِّنَـٰتِ وَمَا كَانُواْ لِيُؤۡمِنُواْ‌ۚ كَذَٲلِكَ نَجۡزِى ٱلۡقَوۡمَ ٱلۡمُجۡرِمِينَ (١٣) ثُمَّ جَعَلۡنَـٰكُمۡ خَلَـٰٓٮِٕفَ فِى ٱلۡأَرۡضِ مِنۢ بَعۡدِهِمۡ لِنَنظُرَ كَيۡفَ تَعۡمَلُونَ (١٤)
اور تم سے پہلے ہم کئی امتوں کو جب انہوں نے ظلم کا راستہ اختیار کیا ہلاک کرچکے ہیں۔ اور ان کے پاس پیغمبر کھلی نشانیاں لے کر آئے مگر وہ ایسے نہ تھے کہ ایمان لاتے۔ ہم گنہگار لوگوں کو اسی طرح بدلہ دیا کرتے ہیں (۱۳) پھر ہم نے ان کے بعد تم لوگوں کو ملک میں خلیفہ بنایا تاکہ دیکھیں تم کیسے کام کرتے ہو
surah 10 ayah 13,14
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Muhammad Irfan Kas17:57Edit
I have not asked for the Fatwa about me.
Whatever you are writing for Kayani is not with proof.


Also let us know your views about Yazeed.

jamil behram17:59
isn't it a proof that kiyani is fighting against muslims in waziristan ?
isn't it a proof that kiyani is not waging jihad for kashmiri ?
even kiyani is not establishing the deen of ALLAH(swt) he is not forcing zardari or gillani to rule by what ALLAH revealed

Muhammad Irfan Kas18:19Edit
My Dear Only one question will give the answer to the whole scenario.
Also let us know your views about Yazeed.?

jamil behram18:21
is it a kufr to help kuffar against muslims or not ?

Muhammad Irfan Kas18:35Edit
Who was the last Khalifah on Muslims ?

Muhammad Irfan Kas18:37Edit


And when?


jamil behram14 May 2012
you are not answering my questions ..
nor proving me wrong . .whenever i come with facts,you either change the question or refuse to accept .
i don't think you are here to learn anything rather you are interested in saying "main na manonga "

Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 19:44Edit
My dear! The Hadees of Muslim does not have any reference number.
Secondly,‘Whosoever takes off his hand from allegiance to Allah (swt) will meet Him (swt) on the Day of Resurrection without having any proof for him, and whoso dies whilst there was no Bay'ah (allegiance) on his neck (to a Khaleefah), he dies a death of Jahiliyyah (ignorance).'" [Muslim]


It gives the impression that The word "(to a Khaleefah)" is included by yourself it is not a part of Hadees.
Please Explain why?
Who has define this Hadees.
Please explain it through the original books.




"No, as long as they establish Salah (meaning Islam) among you."


Now here also "(meaning Islam)" are your words . Who has made define this to you people. From which book you get the references. And who are the Scholars, name them.


Has Yazeed done a Kufur or not?




Who was the last Khalifah on Muslims ?
And when?


Again I have not asked for your Fatwa about me.
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jamil behramYesterday 20:37
i have given refernces on the other post .. go and read my comments there .. if you are interested to accept the truth !

Arshad Ali00:51
+jamil behram bro with very sorry i want to say that this bro +Muhammad Irfan Kas is not familiar with arabic wording and understanding of Quran and Ahadees mubarka . He is just creating questions but don't want to understand the answer.
A least muslim know the meaning of bayaah and they also know who is meant to seek bayaaah. And what are responsibilities of khaleef annexed with the bayaah.
We are not discussing this issue to make points. But we are here only to understand that how can we bring the ummah out from the mess and humiliation. Because Ummah need of its Youngers to play their roles to establish the Deen of Allah so ummah so we get the pleasure and blessings of Allah (SWT). This is the only way by that we can back on the track of progress and harmony . Bro +Muhammad Irfan Kas if you have any other solution also tell us so we also join you. 
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Muhammad Irfan Kas14:26Edit
My dear! The Hadees of Muslim does not have any reference number.
Secondly,‘Whosoever takes off his hand from allegiance to Allah (swt) will meet Him (swt) on the Day of Resurrection without having any proof for him, and whoso dies whilst there was no Bay'ah (allegiance) on his neck (to a Khaleefah), he dies a death of Jahiliyyah (ignorance).'" [Muslim]


It gives the impression that The word "(to a Khaleefah)" is included by yourself it is not a part of Hadees.
Please Explain why?
Who has define this Hadees.
Please explain it through the original books.




"No, as long as they establish Salah (meaning Islam) among you."


Now here also "(meaning Islam)" are your words . Who has made define this to you people. From which book you get the references. And who are the Scholars, name them.


Has Yazeed done a Kufur or not?




Who was the last Khalifah on Muslims ?
And when?


Again I have not asked for your Fatwa about me.
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jamil behram15:24
i'be given couple of other hadith woith references . .quranic verses with esplaination from scholars along with refernces . .
but still you are asking the same question which some one penetrateed in your mind.
inna lillahi wa inna elahi rajion.
i'm again posting all those comments here hope you will stop your rubbish comments !

Muhammad Irfan Kas15:29Edit
Please again only explain the points discussed and questioned.




My dear! The Hadees of Muslim does not have any reference number.
Secondly,‘Whosoever takes off his hand from allegiance to Allah (swt) will meet Him (swt) on the Day of Resurrection without having any proof for him, and whoso dies whilst there was no Bay'ah (allegiance) on his neck (to a Khaleefah), he dies a death of Jahiliyyah (ignorance).'" [Muslim]


1.........It gives the impression that The word "(to a Khaleefah)" is included by yourself it is not a part of Hadees.
Please Explain why?
Who has define this Hadees.
Please explain it through the original books.




"No, as long as they establish Salah (meaning Islam) among you."


2...........Now here also "(meaning Islam)" are your words . Who has made define this to you people. From which book you get the references. And who are the Scholars, name them.


3...........Has Yazeed done a Kufur or not?




4..........Who was the last Khalifah on Muslims ?
5..........And when?


Again I have not asked for your Fatwa about me.
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jamil behram15:38
the word khaleeefah isn't added by us !
nor did we adde the word (meaning islam)
this is what scholars explained.
i do not have the ref of this hadith but i have metion couple of other hadith with complete refrences if you ahve any problem with this hadith,then why areen't you accepting the other hadith.(this shows that you are not interesting to accept the truth,you are only here to prove what you believe)
as much as i remeber yazeeed was a muslim,though he was a zalim,he was not a "KHALEEFAH" as people didn't supported him nor did the gave bayah to him,those who gave bayah did so due to fear.
the last islamic state was OTTOMAN,till 1924 khaleefah was present . though from the end of though before n after 1900's khilafah become weak.
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jamil behram15:39
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these aree the staments of scholars and hadith along with complete refernces

Imam ash-Shawkaani wrote in his book "Tafseer al-Qur'an al-Atheem", volume 2, page 215: "It is known from Islam by necessity (bi-dharoorah - i.e.: like prayer and fasting) that Islam has forbidden division amongst Muslims and the segregation of their land".

The well renowned Imam Hassan Al-Mawardi(ra) in his book "AlAahkam Al-Sultaniyah" page 9 says: "It is forbidden for the Ummah to have two Imams (leaders) at the same time."

Imam An-Nawawi in his book "Mughni Al-Muhtaj", volume 4, page 132 says: "It is forbidden to give an oath to two Imams or more, even in different parts of the world and even if they are far apart". He also stated in his book, "Sharhu Sahih Muslim" (explanation of Sahih Muslim) chapter 12 page 231, "If a baya'a were taken for two Khalifahs one after the other, the baya'a of the first one would be valid and it should be fulfilled and honoured whereas the baya'a of the second would be invalid, and it would be forbidden to honour it. This is the right opinion which the majority of scholars follow, and they agree that it would be forbidden to appoint two Khalifah's at one given time, no matter how great and extended the Islamic lands become".

The Imam Ibnu Hazm in his book "Al-Muhalla", volume 4, page 360 says: "It is unlawful to have more than one Imam in the whole of the world".

Al-Imam Al-Juzieri, an expert on the Fiqh of the four great schools of thought said regarding the four Imams, "...It is forbidden for Muslims to have two Imams in the world whether in agreement or discord." From: "Fiqh ul-Mathahib ul- Arba'a" (the fiqh of the four schools of thought), volume 5, page 416.

Abu Hafs Umar al-Nasafi (rh.a.) a noted scholar of the 6th century Hijri states; "The Muslims simply must have an Imam (Khaleefah), who will execute the rules, establish the Hudud (penal system), defend the frontiers, equip the armies, collect Zakah, punish those who rebel (against the state) and those who spy and highwaymen, establish Jum'ah and the two 'Eids, settle the dispute among the servants (of Allah), accept the testimony of witnesses in matters of legal rights, give in marriage the young and the poor who have no family, and distribute the booty".

Imam Al-Juzayri, an expert on the Fiqh of the four great schools of thought said regarding the four Imams, "The Imams (scholars of the four schools of thought- Shafi'i, Hanafi, Maliki, Hanbali)- may Allah have mercy on them- agree that the Imamah (Leadership) is an obligation, and that the Muslims must appoint an Imam who would implement the deen's rites, and give the oppressed justice against the oppressors". ("Fiqh ul-Mathahib ul- Arba'a" [the Fiqh of the four schools of thought], volume 5, page 416.)

Imam al-Haythami said, "It is known that the Sahabah (r.a.h) consented that selecting the Imaam after the end of the era of Prophethood was an obligation (Wajib). Indeed they made it (more) important than the (other) obligations whilst they were busy with it over the burial of the Prophet (saw)". (al-Haythami in Sawaa'iq ul-haraqah:17.)

Imam al-Qurtubi (may Allah have mercy on him) said in his Tafseer of the verse, "Indeed, man is made upon this earth a Khaleefah" (TMQ 2:30) that: "This Ayah is a source in the selection of an Imaam, and a Khaleefah, he is listened to and he is obeyed, for the world is united through him, and the Ahkam (laws) of the Khaleefah are implemented through him, and there is no difference regarding the obligation of that between the Ummah, nor between the Imams except what is narrated about al-A'sam, the Mu'tazzili (a deviant group)...". (Tafseer ul-Qurtubi 264/1.)

Imam al-Qurturbi (may Allah have mercy on him) said, "The Khilafah is the pillar upon which other pillars rest".

Imam an-Nawawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said, "(The scholars) consented that it is an obligation upon the Muslims to select a Khaleefah". (Sharhu Sahih Muslim page 205 vol 12)
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jamil behram3:28 PMEdit
Imam ash-Shawkaani wrote in his book "Tafseer al-Qur'an al-Atheem", volume 2, page 215: "It is known from Islam by necessity (bi-dharoorah - i.e.: like prayer and fasting) that Islam has forbidden division amongst Muslims and the segregation of their land".

jamil behram3:28 PMEdit
AI-Imam AI-Joziri d 508AH AI fiqh alal Mathahib AI-Arba'a (the fiqh of the four schools of thought), (volume 5, page 416) says:

"The Imams (scholars of the four schools of thought) may Allah have mercy on them agree that the Imama is an obligation, and that the Muslims mUst appoint an Imam who would implement the deen's rites, and give the oppressed justice against the oppressors. It is forbidden for Muslims to have two Imams in the world whether in agreement or in discord".

Imam Bakillani in his book Kitab al Tawheed said

"The knowledge of Imamat is obligatory on every individual, just like the knowledge for prayer, fasting and hajj"

Sharh al-Aqa`id al-Nasafiyah of al Imam al Taftazani(died 809AH) pg 142-143

"There is Ijma`(concensus) that appointing an Imam is wajib(obligatory). The difference of opinion is on whether the the appointment must be by Allah or by his servants, and whether this basis (for appointment) is textual evidence or rational proof.

The adoption is that it is obligatory upon the servants by textual evidence because of the saying of the messenger (saw): "Whoever dies not having known the Imam of his time (i.e. bound himself in Bayah), dies the death of Jahilliyah (ignorance)." Also, the ummah agreed that this was the most important duty following the death of the Messenger (saw), so important in fact that they considered it more important than the matter of his burial, and so also has it been after the death of each Imam. And they must appoint someone, for so many Shariah obligations depend on this duty, as he (i.e. al-Nasafi, who was a noted Hanafi scholar who died in 1142 CE) indicated by this statement:

"The muslims simply must have an Imam, who will execute the rules, establish the hudud (penal system), defend the frontiers, equip the armies, collect the zakah, punish those who rebel (against the state) and those who spy and highwaymen, establish the jum`ah and the two Eids, settle the disputes amongst the servants (of Allah), accept the testimony of witnesses in matters of legal rights, give in marriage the young and poor who have no family, and distribute the booty ' (Taftazani adds:) ' and similar matters which other individuals from the ummah are not allowed to be in charge of."

Imam Nawawi in Sharh al Muslim (commenatry on Sahih Muslim) said in Volume 1 page 139:

"No scholar has ever said that Islam can be implemented gradually"
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jamil behram3:29 PMEdit
‎(Al-jami al-Ahkam al-Quran (Sura 6:190). Ahkam al-Quran by Al-Jasas (Sura 2:533)

Imam Al-Qurtubi said, that, Ibn Masud and Al Hasan said;

" it is general for all who do not judge by what Allah has revealed, meaning believing in that and making it lawful to do so."

Imam Qurtabi states in his AL Ahkam al Quran, VOL IV, pg, 47.

"everyone is not capable to command the right and to forbid the wrong, it can be effectively performed by the ruler (khalifah), for he holds the authority to frame such laws that may be in accord with shariah. His is the final word in all matters of consequence such as the legislation of laws and treatment of prisoners. The head of state should entrust an honest, strict and righteous person the responsibility of enforcing the dictates of shariah in all matters. For Allah says, 'If we establish them in the land, (they are those who) establish regular prayer."

Imam Ibn Taymiah States in his book AL Hasba Fi Islam, pg, 57.

"commanding the right and forbidding the wrong, remains ineffective unless the law (shariah) is operative in a society. The state is the best agency to enforce the directive of the Quran. It is obligatory on the rulers to enforce the law (shariah) which would result in commanding the right and forbidding the wrong."

Ibn Taymiah states in his book AL Hasba Fi AL Islam, pg, 37
"The purpose of an Islamic State is to command the right and to forbid the wrong."

Sharhu Sahih Muslim VOL, 12, pg, 205, Imam an-Nawawi said,

"(The scholars) consented that it is an obligation upon the Muslims to select a Khalifah"

(Siyasah Shariyah) chapter 'the obligation of adherence to the leadership, Ibn Taymiyah said,

" It is obligatory to know that the office in charge of commanding over the people (ie: the Khilafah post) is one of the greatest obligations of the deen. In fact , there is no establishment of the deen without it (ie: the Khilafah post) this is the opinion of the salaf, such as al-Fadl Ibn Iyaad, Imam Ahmed Ibn Hanbal and others"
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jamil behram3:29 PMEdit
‎(al-haythami in Sawaa'iq ul-Haraqah:17.) Imam al-haythami d 807AH said,

" It is known that the Sahabah (r.a.h) consented that selecting the Imaam after the end of the era of prophethood was an obligation (wajib). Indeed they made it (more) important than the (other) obligations whilst they were busy with it over the burial of the Prophet (saw)".

(Kitab ul-Kafi) Imam Ahmed d 241AH, said,

"The fitna ( mischief and tribulations) occurs when there is no Imam established over the affairs of the people".

Al-Juwaini (Imama Al-Haramn) in his book Ghayyath Al-Ummam,p 54 said "There is a consensus among Muslims from all schools of thoughts that the Imama (Khilafah) is Fard"

Imam al Amidi- Shafi Mazhab, Fi Gayat-ul-muram, pg 364 Said

"The opinion of the people of huq, amongst the muslims say, that establishing the imamah and appointing the imam and obeying him is fard upon muslims"

Imam Ibnu-Hazm d 452AH, in Fasal Min-al-Nihal vol 4, pg 87 Said "It is agreed upon all al alsunnah , that establishing the imamah is fard upon the muslims, and it is an obligation upon them to be under one imam to establish the ahkam of Allah and to lead them by the ahkam of shariah"

Imam al Nasafi, Fi Hashyat-Shar al-aqaid al nasafia pg 187 Said</h3> "Appointing the imam is fard- an obligation upon all muslims"

Imam al Bagdadi, d 463AH, Fi Kitab al Farku-Bayn al Firk, pg 210 Said,

"The imamah is fard wajib upon the ummah in order to appoint the imam, to implement the shariah and obeying him"

Imam Ibn Taymiah, Fi al Nazarat syasia al Islamiah, pg 175 Said

"Appointing the Khalifah and obeying him, is an obligation upon the muslim ummah"

Imam Nauwi, Fi Shar Muslim, vol 12 pg 205 Said "The scholars are agreed upon, that it is an obligation upon the muslims to appoint a khalifah"

Imam Ibn Taimiyah al-Siyasah at-Shar'iyah, Said,

"Sixty years of an unjust imam (oppressive khalifah) is better than one night without a sultan (Islamic authority)"

Imam ash-Shawkaani in "Tafseer al-Qur'an al-Atheem", volume 2, page 215:

"It is known from Islam by necessity (bi-dharoorah - i.e.: like prayer and fasting) that Islam has forbidden division amongst Muslims and the segregation of their land".
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jamil behram3:30 PMEdit
‎(al-haythami in Sawaa'iq ul-Haraqah:17.) Imam al-haythami d 807AH said,

" It is known that the Sahabah (r.a.h) consented that selecting the Imaam after the end of the era of prophethood was an obligation (wajib). Indeed they made it (more) important than the (other) obligations whilst they were busy with it over the burial of the Prophet (saw)".

(Kitab ul-Kafi) Imam Ahmed d 241AH, said,

"The fitna ( mischief and tribulations) occurs when there is no Imam established over the affairs of the people".

Al-Juwaini (Imama Al-Haramn) in his book Ghayyath Al-Ummam,p 54 said "There is a consensus among Muslims from all schools of thoughts that the Imama (Khilafah) is Fard"

Imam al Amidi- Shafi Mazhab, Fi Gayat-ul-muram, pg 364 Said

"The opinion of the people of huq, amongst the muslims say, that establishing the imamah and appointing the imam and obeying him is fard upon muslims"

Imam Ibnu-Hazm d 452AH, in Fasal Min-al-Nihal vol 4, pg 87 Said "It is agreed upon all al alsunnah , that establishing the imamah is fard upon the muslims, and it is an obligation upon them to be under one imam to establish the ahkam of Allah and to lead them by the ahkam of shariah"

Imam al Nasafi, Fi Hashyat-Shar al-aqaid al nasafia pg 187 Said</h3> "Appointing the imam is fard- an obligation upon all muslims"

Imam al Bagdadi, d 463AH, Fi Kitab al Farku-Bayn al Firk, pg 210 Said,

"The imamah is fard wajib upon the ummah in order to appoint the imam, to implement the shariah and obeying him"

Imam Ibn Taymiah, Fi al Nazarat syasia al Islamiah, pg 175 Said

"Appointing the Khalifah and obeying him, is an obligation upon the muslim ummah"

Imam Nauwi, Fi Shar Muslim, vol 12 pg 205 Said "The scholars are agreed upon, that it is an obligation upon the muslims to appoint a khalifah"

Imam Ibn Taimiyah al-Siyasah at-Shar'iyah, Said,

"Sixty years of an unjust imam (oppressive khalifah) is better than one night without a sultan (Islamic authority)"

Imam ash-Shawkaani in "Tafseer al-Qur'an al-Atheem", volume 2, page 215:

"It is known from Islam by necessity (bi-dharoorah - i.e.: like prayer and fasting) that Islam has forbidden division amongst Muslims and the segregation of their land".
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Muhammad Irfan Kas15:57Edit

1..........""""the word khaleeefah isn't added by us !
nor did we adde the word (meaning islam)
this is what scholars explained.""""
Can you please name the Scholars.
i do not have the ref of this hadith but i have metion couple of other hadith with complete refrences if you ahve any problem with this hadith,then why areen't you accepting the other hadith.(this shows that you are not interesting to accept the truth,you are only here to prove what you believe)
as much as i remeber yazeeed was a muslim,though he was a zalim,he was not a "KHALEEFAH" as people didn't supported him nor did the gave bayah to him,those who gave bayah did so due to fear.
the last islamic state was OTTOMAN,till 1924 khaleefah was present . though from the end of though before n after 1900's khilafah become weak."

" "i remeber yazeeed was a muslim"""".

Yazeed's sin is that he has ordered to kill Hazrat Imam Hussain Radiallah Ta ala Anho.(The Leader of the Young Muslims in Jannat)
Ref: http://irfankas.blogspot.com/2012/04/history-of-caliphs-from-hazrat-ali.htmlAccording to your words if Kayani has commited a Kufur .
Yazeed has commited a very big crime with respect to Kayani.( When Only supposing that whatever you are telling us is true but it is not true.)

Now, what is the Logic you people are following, I cannot understand.


Also let me know that after reading the reference given above of Imam Jalaluddin Sayyoti how many Khalifa's has commited Kufur ?
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Thursday, 20th of Jamdi us Sani, 1433H 11/05/2012 N0: PN12020. General Kiyani confirms he is bankrupt of truth by sending his thugs to kidnap the Official Spokesman of Hizb ut-Tahrir, Naveed Butt. Tod...
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Muhammad Irfan Kas04:53Edit
Full Drama. Stop abusing the Army of Pakistan.

Arshad Ali04:57
+Muhammad Irfan Kas I didn't abused army. I just mentioned kiyaani and his thugs. If you have any reason to respect them plz let me know ???

Muhammad Irfan Kas05:20Edit
Be a Pakistani and do not defame Pakistan. What is the logic behind Hazb ut Tehrir?

jamil behram09:27
we are not abusing the army . .but as our beloved prophet Muhammad(saw) abused abu jahl,abu lahab. . in the same manner we have to lift the veil from the faces of these thugs,known as zardari and kiyani.
indeed kiyani is a traitor to this ummah,he betrayed the kashmiri muslims,he is betraying the afghan people.
may ALLAH's curse be on such ignorant.ameen

Muhammad Irfan Kas10:35Edit
Any proof of whatever you are saying ?
What was the role of Musharraf?
And what is your authority to abuse the Army?
Abu Jahal was a Non Muslim. What do you think of Kayani?
Where will be Pakistan if there is no Army?
Whatever your problems are just solve it out in this Country. What is the reason of making fun in whole world?
We know this media is a Jew Media and what are the intentions of Hazb ut Tahrir for Pakistan?
Why Naveed Butt has been arrested? Can you explain what good deeds he has done for Pakistan?
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Muhammad Irfan Kas10:40Edit

London is Khalifa ?

Muhammad Irfan Kas16:33Edit

My Dear if you have any proof then share with us.
I have not asked you about what the people are saying.
And I am fully aware what good people wish for General Kiani.
So please first answer these questions:

Any proof of whatever you are saying ?
What was the role of Musharraf?
And what is your authority to abuse the Army?
Abu Jahal was a Non Muslim. What do you think of Kayani?
Where will be Pakistan if there is no Army?
Whatever your problems are just solve it out in this Country. What is the reason of making fun in whole world?
We know this media is a Jew Media and what are the intentions of Hazb ut Tahrir for Pakistan?
Why Naveed Butt has been arrested? Can you explain what good deeds he has done for Pakistan?
The words you have mentioned for Kiani " Agva " and "send Gunda".
To whom are you abusing ?
It is in newpapers that Naveed Butt has been arrested. You are misguiding the people.
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Arshad AliYesterday 18:49
+Muhammad Irfan Kas


Any proof of whatever you are saying ?
Ans: Plz watch this video and you would find the answer Hizb ut-Tahrir exposes Kayani's & Pasha's treachery in War on Terror
What was the role of Musharraf?
Ans : Musharaf was traitor and was a puppet of US who helped US to kill muslims in afghanistan. he bombarded the innocents girls and children in LAAL masjid. He sold the kashmir . The list of his crimes is endless.
And what is your authority to abuse the Army?
Ans: I am not abusing the army I just accounting the army. The authority is given by Allah and his Prophet (SAW). "The best Jihad is the word of Justice in front of the oppressive Sultan [ruler]."
Abu Jahal was a Non Muslim. What do you think of Kayani?
Again this hadith "The best Jihad is the word of Justice in front of the oppressive Sultan [ruler]."
Where will be Pakistan if there is no Army?
Kiyani and some other traitors are not whole army .. They are just some occupiers and have hijacked whole army to use it for US.
Whatever your problems are just solve it out in this Country. What is the reason of making fun in whole world?
Ans : A muslim has no identity other than Islam. Every muslim is my concern and whatever he is from.
Prophet (PBUH) said (Meanings) " One who woke up in the morning and didn't think about the concerns of Ummah is not from us. So the borders and nations doesn't not meant in Islam. muslims are one ummah not pakistani indian saudi bangali etc.
We know this media is a Jew Media and what are the intentions of Hazb ut Tahrir for Pakistan?
Intention of hizb ut tahrir is only to implement Islam in pakistan and whole the Islamic world. thewn will spreqt Islam to entire world Dawah and Jihad IA.
Why Naveed Butt has been arrested? Can you explain what good deeds he has done for Pakistan?
He is striving to Implement the Deen of Allah and His prophet (PBUH) in pakistan.. he was exposig the treachery of rulers in civil and army. so thats why he is put behind the bars.
The words you have mentioned for Kiani " Agva " and "send Gunda".
what you say when some people come to your home and pick u up without ay warrant or cause.
why not they arrest CIA and black water agents in pakistan. because they both are working to fullfill orders of their lord US. both aree killing and arresting muslims.
To whom are you abusing ?
Traitor in Army and civil govenment
It is in newpapers that Naveed Butt has been arrested. You are misguiding the people.
what is the procedure to arrest someone. if you know you would not say it arrest..
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Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 22:41Edit
What is the first point in appointing Khalifa?

jamil behramYesterday 22:43


it is an obligation.

Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 23:01Edit
My Dear Kayani is under our civilian government, and these questions must be put on civilian government. How come Kayani is responsible?
Deals are made by civilian Government and both the civilian Government and US are with each other to degrade our armed forces, which is an Islamic Force. It is our good luck that we get a Nuclear Deternance. And this is the only thing which is in their path of Balcanisation of Pakistan. The strategy should be against our civilian government, not to get armed forces but to get another civilian government which is in favor of Pakistan.
By annoying our armed forces you are not doing any good. Any way you did not give any good deeds done by Naveed Butt. Any work done for Pakistan is not mentioned. Only words will not help. And only pointing out people will also not help. What positive work has been done?
If Hazb ul Tahrir wants to play in the hands of enemy as we can see.
It will never accomplish their task.
How come you get so much fundings?
Why are your offices in London just like other parties which are happy to de establize Pakistan.
You people think that you only know about Islam and all other Muslims do not know what to do. But I can tell you that you people do not even know the first and most important part of the choosing of Khalifa.
Can you please define how a Khalifa will be chosen or have you chosen any Khalifa?
If not chosen yet then under whose instructions you people are struggling?
We Muslims of Pakistan know that How these countries are supporting the parties which are here de estabilizing Pakistan.
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Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 23:02Edit


What is obligation? Define please?






jamil behramYesterday 10:37
buhahah !
everyone knows who is the rule ruler of pakistan.
it's useless to debate who made deals with america(though we all know that the real evil master is kiyani)
kiyani had two options:
follow the commands of zardari n america.
follow the commands of ALLAH(Swt).
and kiyani selected to go with the evil.
may ALLAH's curse be on him.
in surah maida ALLAH(swt) said regarding those who do not rule by what ALLAH revealed as fasiqqon,zalimoon and kafiroon.
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jamil behramYesterday 10:41
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prophet(Saw) said:
whoso dies whilst there was no Bay'ah (allegiance) on his neck (to a Khaleefah), he dies a death of Jahiliyyah (ignorance).'" [Muslim]
and it is fard upon us to die with emaan and not as those of jahiliya.so to die with bayah we should establish khilafah and appoint a khaleefa to whom we will give bayah.
The Prophet (saw) has stated in one Hadith as narrated by Imam Bayhaqi (ra) in his Sunan that, "Nobody has the right vested in him to establish anything from the Hudood without the Sultan (authority of the State)."
so to establish the hudood of ALLAH(swt) we need an islamic state,a khaleefah.hence it is an obligation.
imam abu hanifa called it mother of obligations.
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Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 15:25Edit
Please answer these questions.


Can you please define how a Khalifa will be chosen or have you chosen any Khalifa?
If not chosen yet then under whose instructions you people are struggling?

Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 15:33Edit


Who has given you the description of what Hazrat Imam abu Hanifa has said has the same meaning as you are thinking.
Can you please give any authentic name who has described this and from which book you have taken and also the true words. Also show us the real wordings.
We cannot believe on just your words.

Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 15:35Edit


Every one needs the proof of whatever you are saying and please give us the proof.
No proof has been given of any good deed done by Mr. Naveed Butt.

Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 15:36Edit


Without proof only imposing the thinking of you people is just a Fitna according to Islam.

jamil behramYesterday 16:47
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hizb organised a conference of ulema in which 5000 scholars took part.
alhamdulillah the founder of hizb was himself a mujtahid,i'm taking about sheikh taqi ud din nabhani . .he studied from al azhar university,egypt.
so you can not say that we are talking without proofs,when we say democracy is haram,then we have written books on that.
and when we say khilafah is an obligation then alhamdulillah we have books written on that subject.
when we talk about khilafah,we also provide the whole structure of khilafah.
there's nothing without proof
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Muhammad Irfan Kas12:27Edit
My dear! The Hadees of Muslim does not have any reference number.
Secondly,‘Whosoever takes off his hand from allegiance to Allah (swt) will meet Him (swt) on the Day of Resurrection without having any proof for him, and whoso dies whilst there was no Bay'ah (allegiance) on his neck (to a Khaleefah), he dies a death of Jahiliyyah (ignorance).'" [Muslim]


It gives the impression that The word "(to a Khaleefah)" is included by yourself it is not a part of Hadees.
Please Explain why?
Who has define this Hadees.
Please explain it through the original books.




Thirdly What are your views on Yazeed?
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Muhammad Irfan Kas12:35Edit
"No, as long as they establish Salah (meaning Islam) among you."


Now here also "(meaning Islam)" are your words . Who has made define this to you people. From which book you get the references. And who are the Scholars, name them.


Also What are your views on Yazeed?

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jamil behram17:55
even Sheikh ul Hind, Maulana Mahmood Hasan said it is an obligation to be ruled by a khaleefah.

jamil behram17:57
if you read that article then you'll agree that if the khaleefah do kufr e boa then he must be opposed.
so don't you think handing over our sisters(like afia) our brothers(like abdus saleem) are not kufr ?
don't you think leaving muslims of gujrat without help isn't kufr e boa ?
what about taking u-turn on afghanistan ?

Muhammad Irfan Kas18:00Edit
My Dear the questions are still pending.




Who is this?
Please give the full description and what are his books?




My dear! The Hadees of Muslim does not have any reference number.
Secondly,‘Whosoever takes off his hand from allegiance to Allah (swt) will meet Him (swt) on the Day of Resurrection without having any proof for him, and whoso dies whilst there was no Bay'ah (allegiance) on his neck (to a Khaleefah), he dies a death of Jahiliyyah (ignorance).'" [Muslim]


It gives the impression that The word "(to a Khaleefah)" is included by yourself it is not a part of Hadees.
Please Explain why?
Who has define this Hadees.
Please explain it through the original books.




Thirdly What are your views on Yazeed?




"No, as long as they establish Salah (meaning Islam) among you."


Now here also "(meaning Islam)" are your words . Who has made define this to you people. From which book you get the references. And who are the Scholars, name them.


Also What are your views on Yazeed?
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jamil behram18:15


who is this ?
can you please explain this ?
wese ager aap urdu may baat kre to mujhe koi aitraz nhi :)

jamil behram18:16


so you think baith is given to any one other than khaleefa ?
and this is explained by not only ulema from hizb,even dr israr also agreed on this :)

Muhammad Irfan Kas18:22Edit
Now I came to know so you people are also from Yazeedi's. Group.

jamil behram18:24
we are clear on yazeed,we even don't consider him a khaleefah :)
so we are not from yazeedi's . .
yazeed was against anyone who stood against him .
on the other hand we clearly support those who stand against tyrants :)
so judge by yourself who is yazeedi ? me or you ?
i believe on khurooj against leader if he do kufr.
you don't :)
i stand against tyrant . .
and you don't . .
aren't you similar to those of the people of yazeed ?
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Muhammad Irfan Kas18:28Edit
Sorry Wahabism is totally false. Their each and everything is deception for us Muslims.
We Ahle Sunnat do not want to follow the Wahabi's.
These people are playing in the hands of Zions.
http://irfankas.blogspot.com/2012/04/pdf-file-of-balakot-tehreek.html


http://irfankas.blogspot.com/2012/05/be-aware-of-people-who-are-in-this.html
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jamil behram18:29
who asked you to follow wahabi . . i asked you to follow what is written in quran,sunnah,ijma e sahaba. .
isn't it a kufr to rule by other then what ALLAH revealed ?

jamil behram18:31
you didn't answered my questions regarding kufr e boa ?
and who is following yazeed ?

Muhammad Irfan Kas18:34Edit
Who will describe the Sunnah?
You people are making your home made descriptions on Ahadees.
How can the Ahl e Sunnat Muslims can follow your home made.


My point of view is very clear that the persons to whom you are referring are not authentic and they have already created the Fitna.
We can't accept their descriptions on any Hdees nor Quran.
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Muhammad Irfan Kas18:39Edit


Has Yazeed done a Kufur or not?





Muhammad Irfan Kas14 May 2012Edit
My dear! The Hadees of Muslim does not have any reference number.
Secondly,‘Whosoever takes off his hand from allegiance to Allah (swt) will meet Him (swt) on the Day of Resurrection without having any proof for him, and whoso dies whilst there was no Bay'ah (allegiance) on his neck (to a Khaleefah), he dies a death of Jahiliyyah (ignorance).'" [Muslim]


It gives the impression that The word "(to a Khaleefah)" is included by yourself it is not a part of Hadees.
Please Explain why?
Who has define this Hadees.
Please explain it through the original books.




"No, as long as they establish Salah (meaning Islam) among you."


Now here also "(meaning Islam)" are your words . Who has made define this to you people. From which book you get the references. And who are the Scholars, name them.


http://irfankas.blogspot.com/2012/04/shariah-discuss-on-people-who-spread.html
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jamil behram14 May 2012
“Those who do not rule by what Allah has revealed are disbelievers.”[5-44]
“And those who do not rule by what Allah has revealed are transgressors (Fasiqoon).” (Al-Ma'edah: verse 47)
“Those who do not rule by what Allah has revealed are zalimoon(5:54)

jamil behram14 May 2012
Imam ash-Shawkaani wrote in his book "Tafseer al-Qur'an al-Atheem", volume 2, page 215: "It is known from Islam by necessity (bi-dharoorah - i.e.: like prayer and fasting) that Islam has forbidden division amongst Muslims and the segregation of their land".


The well renowned Imam Hassan Al-Mawardi(ra) in his book "AlAahkam Al-Sultaniyah" page 9 says: "It is forbidden for the Ummah to have two Imams (leaders) at the same time."


Imam An-Nawawi in his book "Mughni Al-Muhtaj", volume 4, page 132 says: "It is forbidden to give an oath to two Imams or more, even in different parts of the world and even if they are far apart". He also stated in his book, "Sharhu Sahih Muslim" (explanation of Sahih Muslim) chapter 12 page 231, "If a baya'a were taken for two Khalifahs one after the other, the baya'a of the first one would be valid and it should be fulfilled and honoured whereas the baya'a of the second would be invalid, and it would be forbidden to honour it. This is the right opinion which the majority of scholars follow, and they agree that it would be forbidden to appoint two Khalifah's at one given time, no matter how great and extended the Islamic lands become".


The Imam Ibnu Hazm in his book "Al-Muhalla", volume 4, page 360 says: "It is unlawful to have more than one Imam in the whole of the world".


Al-Imam Al-Juzieri, an expert on the Fiqh of the four great schools of thought said regarding the four Imams, "...It is forbidden for Muslims to have two Imams in the world whether in agreement or discord." From: "Fiqh ul-Mathahib ul- Arba'a" (the fiqh of the four schools of thought), volume 5, page 416.


Abu Hafs Umar al-Nasafi (rh.a.) a noted scholar of the 6th century Hijri states; "The Muslims simply must have an Imam (Khaleefah), who will execute the rules, establish the Hudud (penal system), defend the frontiers, equip the armies, collect Zakah, punish those who rebel (against the state) and those who spy and highwaymen, establish Jum'ah and the two 'Eids, settle the dispute among the servants (of Allah), accept the testimony of witnesses in matters of legal rights, give in marriage the young and the poor who have no family, and distribute the booty".


Imam Al-Juzayri, an expert on the Fiqh of the four great schools of thought said regarding the four Imams, "The Imams (scholars of the four schools of thought- Shafi'i, Hanafi, Maliki, Hanbali)- may Allah have mercy on them- agree that the Imamah (Leadership) is an obligation, and that the Muslims must appoint an Imam who would implement the deen's rites, and give the oppressed justice against the oppressors". ("Fiqh ul-Mathahib ul- Arba'a" [the Fiqh of the four schools of thought], volume 5, page 416.)


Imam al-Haythami said, "It is known that the Sahabah (r.a.h) consented that selecting the Imaam after the end of the era of Prophethood was an obligation (Wajib). Indeed they made it (more) important than the (other) obligations whilst they were busy with it over the burial of the Prophet (saw)". (al-Haythami in Sawaa'iq ul-haraqah:17.)


Imam al-Qurtubi (may Allah have mercy on him) said in his Tafseer of the verse, "Indeed, man is made upon this earth a Khaleefah" (TMQ 2:30) that: "This Ayah is a source in the selection of an Imaam, and a Khaleefah, he is listened to and he is obeyed, for the world is united through him, and the Ahkam (laws) of the Khaleefah are implemented through him, and there is no difference regarding the obligation of that between the Ummah, nor between the Imams except what is narrated about al-A'sam, the Mu'tazzili (a deviant group)...". (Tafseer ul-Qurtubi 264/1.)


Imam al-Qurturbi (may Allah have mercy on him) said, "The Khilafah is the pillar upon which other pillars rest".


Imam an-Nawawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said, "(The scholars) consented that it is an obligation upon the Muslims to select a Khaleefah". (Sharhu Sahih Muslim page 205 vol 12)
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jamil behram14 May 2012

Imam ash-Shawkaani wrote in his book "Tafseer al-Qur'an al-Atheem", volume 2, page 215: "It is known from Islam by necessity (bi-dharoorah - i.e.: like prayer and fasting) that Islam has forbidden division amongst Muslims and the segregation of their land".

jamil behram14 May 2012
AI-Imam AI-Joziri d 508AH AI fiqh alal Mathahib AI-Arba'a (the fiqh of the four schools of thought), (volume 5, page 416) says:


"The Imams (scholars of the four schools of thought) may Allah have mercy on them agree that the Imama is an obligation, and that the Muslims mUst appoint an Imam who would implement the deen's rites, and give the oppressed justice against the oppressors. It is forbidden for Muslims to have two Imams in the world whether in agreement or in discord".


Imam Bakillani in his book Kitab al Tawheed said


"The knowledge of Imamat is obligatory on every individual, just like the knowledge for prayer, fasting and hajj"


Sharh al-Aqa`id al-Nasafiyah of al Imam al Taftazani(died 809AH) pg 142-143


"There is Ijma`(concensus) that appointing an Imam is wajib(obligatory). The difference of opinion is on whether the the appointment must be by Allah or by his servants, and whether this basis (for appointment) is textual evidence or rational proof.


The adoption is that it is obligatory upon the servants by textual evidence because of the saying of the messenger (saw): "Whoever dies not having known the Imam of his time (i.e. bound himself in Bayah), dies the death of Jahilliyah (ignorance)." Also, the ummah agreed that this was the most important duty following the death of the Messenger (saw), so important in fact that they considered it more important than the matter of his burial, and so also has it been after the death of each Imam. And they must appoint someone, for so many Shariah obligations depend on this duty, as he (i.e. al-Nasafi, who was a noted Hanafi scholar who died in 1142 CE) indicated by this statement:


"The muslims simply must have an Imam, who will execute the rules, establish the hudud (penal system), defend the frontiers, equip the armies, collect the zakah, punish those who rebel (against the state) and those who spy and highwaymen, establish the jum`ah and the two Eids, settle the disputes amongst the servants (of Allah), accept the testimony of witnesses in matters of legal rights, give in marriage the young and poor who have no family, and distribute the booty ' (Taftazani adds:) ' and similar matters which other individuals from the ummah are not allowed to be in charge of."


Imam Nawawi in Sharh al Muslim (commenatry on Sahih Muslim) said in Volume 1 page 139:


"No scholar has ever said that Islam can be implemented gradually"
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jamil behram14 May 2012
‎(Al-jami al-Ahkam al-Quran (Sura 6:190). Ahkam al-Quran by Al-Jasas (Sura 2:533)


Imam Al-Qurtubi said, that, Ibn Masud and Al Hasan said;


" it is general for all who do not judge by what Allah has revealed, meaning believing in that and making it lawful to do so."


Imam Qurtabi states in his AL Ahkam al Quran, VOL IV, pg, 47.


"everyone is not capable to command the right and to forbid the wrong, it can be effectively performed by the ruler (khalifah), for he holds the authority to frame such laws that may be in accord with shariah. His is the final word in all matters of consequence such as the legislation of laws and treatment of prisoners. The head of state should entrust an honest, strict and righteous person the responsibility of enforcing the dictates of shariah in all matters. For Allah says, 'If we establish them in the land, (they are those who) establish regular prayer."


Imam Ibn Taymiah States in his book AL Hasba Fi Islam, pg, 57.


"commanding the right and forbidding the wrong, remains ineffective unless the law (shariah) is operative in a society. The state is the best agency to enforce the directive of the Quran. It is obligatory on the rulers to enforce the law (shariah) which would result in commanding the right and forbidding the wrong."


Ibn Taymiah states in his book AL Hasba Fi AL Islam, pg, 37
"The purpose of an Islamic State is to command the right and to forbid the wrong."


Sharhu Sahih Muslim VOL, 12, pg, 205, Imam an-Nawawi said,


"(The scholars) consented that it is an obligation upon the Muslims to select a Khalifah"


(Siyasah Shariyah) chapter 'the obligation of adherence to the leadership, Ibn Taymiyah said,


" It is obligatory to know that the office in charge of commanding over the people (ie: the Khilafah post) is one of the greatest obligations of the deen. In fact , there is no establishment of the deen without it (ie: the Khilafah post) this is the opinion of the salaf, such as al-Fadl Ibn Iyaad, Imam Ahmed Ibn Hanbal and others"
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jamil behram14 May 2012
‎(al-haythami in Sawaa'iq ul-Haraqah:17.) Imam al-haythami d 807AH said,


" It is known that the Sahabah (r.a.h) consented that selecting the Imaam after the end of the era of prophethood was an obligation (wajib). Indeed they made it (more) important than the (other) obligations whilst they were busy with it over the burial of the Prophet (saw)".


(Kitab ul-Kafi) Imam Ahmed d 241AH, said,


"The fitna ( mischief and tribulations) occurs when there is no Imam established over the affairs of the people".


Al-Juwaini (Imama Al-Haramn) in his book Ghayyath Al-Ummam,p 54 said "There is a consensus among Muslims from all schools of thoughts that the Imama (Khilafah) is Fard"


Imam al Amidi- Shafi Mazhab, Fi Gayat-ul-muram, pg 364 Said


"The opinion of the people of huq, amongst the muslims say, that establishing the imamah and appointing the imam and obeying him is fard upon muslims"


Imam Ibnu-Hazm d 452AH, in Fasal Min-al-Nihal vol 4, pg 87 Said "It is agreed upon all al alsunnah , that establishing the imamah is fard upon the muslims, and it is an obligation upon them to be under one imam to establish the ahkam of Allah and to lead them by the ahkam of shariah"


Imam al Nasafi, Fi Hashyat-Shar al-aqaid al nasafia pg 187 Said</h3> "Appointing the imam is fard- an obligation upon all muslims"


Imam al Bagdadi, d 463AH, Fi Kitab al Farku-Bayn al Firk, pg 210 Said,


"The imamah is fard wajib upon the ummah in order to appoint the imam, to implement the shariah and obeying him"


Imam Ibn Taymiah, Fi al Nazarat syasia al Islamiah, pg 175 Said


"Appointing the Khalifah and obeying him, is an obligation upon the muslim ummah"


Imam Nauwi, Fi Shar Muslim, vol 12 pg 205 Said "The scholars are agreed upon, that it is an obligation upon the muslims to appoint a khalifah"


Imam Ibn Taimiyah al-Siyasah at-Shar'iyah, Said,


"Sixty years of an unjust imam (oppressive khalifah) is better than one night without a sultan (Islamic authority)"


Imam ash-Shawkaani in "Tafseer al-Qur'an al-Atheem", volume 2, page 215:


"It is known from Islam by necessity (bi-dharoorah - i.e.: like prayer and fasting) that Islam has forbidden division amongst Muslims and the segregation of their land".
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jamil behram14 May 2012
ya bin Saied al-A'miri (132H) in his book 'Advice to the Khalifah'


"The Khilafah is the crown of all obligations and it is the jewel"


Imam Ibn Taymiah, al-Siyasah al Shariyah, p 189 Said, "Without the coercive power of the state,(khilafah) the deen is in danger: and without the discipline of the revealed law (shariah), the state becomes a tyrannical organization."


Ibn Kathir Tafseer Al-Qur'an Al-Atheem: (2/67).


Says about those who leave the laws of Allah and judge according to other laws;


"whoever does this is a disbeliever and it is an obligation to fight him until he returns to the laws of Allah andhis prophet (SAW), it is irrelevant if that part of the shari'ah which he has left is large or small." Narrated by Muslim from hadith Umm Salamah."There will be upon you leaders who you will recognise and disapprove of; whoever rejects them is free, whoever hates them is safe as opposed to those who are pleased and obey them", they said,"should we not fight them". He (SAW) said, "No as long as theypray." Explanation of Sahih Muslim by Imam An-Nawawi (12/242 - 243). Imam An-Nawawi states in the explanation of the hadith "As for his words 'should we not fight them?' he (SAW) replied, 'No as long as they pray . . . ', this contains the aforementioned meaning that it is not permissible to revolt against the khalifa for his mereInjustice or rebellion as long as he does not change anything from the principles of Islam." Note- Changing principles of Islam clearly denotes: A Ruler changing the ruling and laws from Islamic to kufr, since Islam itself cannot be changed and this is not the meaning meant in the expression.
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jamil behram14 May 2012
‎(al-haythami in Sawaa'iq ul-Haraqah:17.) Imam al-haythami d 807AH said,


" It is known that the Sahabah (r.a.h) consented that selecting the Imaam after the end of the era of prophethood was an obligation (wajib). Indeed they made it (more) important than the (other) obligations whilst they were busy with it over the burial of the Prophet (saw)".


(Kitab ul-Kafi) Imam Ahmed d 241AH, said,


"The fitna ( mischief and tribulations) occurs when there is no Imam established over the affairs of the people".


Al-Juwaini (Imama Al-Haramn) in his book Ghayyath Al-Ummam,p 54 said "There is a consensus among Muslims from all schools of thoughts that the Imama (Khilafah) is Fard"


Imam al Amidi- Shafi Mazhab, Fi Gayat-ul-muram, pg 364 Said


"The opinion of the people of huq, amongst the muslims say, that establishing the imamah and appointing the imam and obeying him is fard upon muslims"


Imam Ibnu-Hazm d 452AH, in Fasal Min-al-Nihal vol 4, pg 87 Said "It is agreed upon all al alsunnah , that establishing the imamah is fard upon the muslims, and it is an obligation upon them to be under one imam to establish the ahkam of Allah and to lead them by the ahkam of shariah"


Imam al Nasafi, Fi Hashyat-Shar al-aqaid al nasafia pg 187 Said</h3> "Appointing the imam is fard- an obligation upon all muslims"


Imam al Bagdadi, d 463AH, Fi Kitab al Farku-Bayn al Firk, pg 210 Said,


"The imamah is fard wajib upon the ummah in order to appoint the imam, to implement the shariah and obeying him"


Imam Ibn Taymiah, Fi al Nazarat syasia al Islamiah, pg 175 Said


"Appointing the Khalifah and obeying him, is an obligation upon the muslim ummah"


Imam Nauwi, Fi Shar Muslim, vol 12 pg 205 Said "The scholars are agreed upon, that it is an obligation upon the muslims to appoint a khalifah"


Imam Ibn Taimiyah al-Siyasah at-Shar'iyah, Said,


"Sixty years of an unjust imam (oppressive khalifah) is better than one night without a sultan (Islamic authority)"


Imam ash-Shawkaani in "Tafseer al-Qur'an al-Atheem", volume 2, page 215:


"It is known from Islam by necessity (bi-dharoorah - i.e.: like prayer and fasting) that Islam has forbidden division amongst Muslims and the segregation of their land".
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Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 19:43Edit
My dear! The Hadees of Muslim does not have any reference number.
Secondly,‘Whosoever takes off his hand from allegiance to Allah (swt) will meet Him (swt) on the Day of Resurrection without having any proof for him, and whoso dies whilst there was no Bay'ah (allegiance) on his neck (to a Khaleefah), he dies a death of Jahiliyyah (ignorance).'" [Muslim]


It gives the impression that The word "(to a Khaleefah)" is included by yourself it is not a part of Hadees.
Please Explain why?
Who has define this Hadees.
Please explain it through the original books.




"No, as long as they establish Salah (meaning Islam) among you."


Now here also "(meaning Islam)" are your words . Who has made define this to you people. From which book you get the references. And who are the Scholars, name them.


Has Yazeed done a Kufur or not?




Who was the last Khalifah on Muslims ?
And when?
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jamil behramYesterday 20:36
bro i have given you all the references why are you asking the same question . .go and read my last comments.

Muhammad Irfan Kas14:26Edit
My dear! The Hadees of Muslim does not have any reference number.
Secondly,‘Whosoever takes off his hand from allegiance to Allah (swt) will meet Him (swt) on the Day of Resurrection without having any proof for him, and whoso dies whilst there was no Bay'ah (allegiance) on his neck (to a Khaleefah), he dies a death of Jahiliyyah (ignorance).'" [Muslim]


It gives the impression that The word "(to a Khaleefah)" is included by yourself it is not a part of Hadees.
Please Explain why?
Who has define this Hadees.
Please explain it through the original books.




"No, as long as they establish Salah (meaning Islam) among you."


Now here also "(meaning Islam)" are your words . Who has made define this to you people. From which book you get the references. And who are the Scholars, name them.


Has Yazeed done a Kufur or not?




Who was the last Khalifah on Muslims ?
And when?


Again I have not asked for your Fatwa about me.
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jamil behram15:27
Imam ash-Shawkaani wrote in his book "Tafseer al-Qur'an al-Atheem", volume 2, page 215: "It is known from Islam by necessity (bi-dharoorah - i.e.: like prayer and fasting) that Islam has forbidden division amongst Muslims and the segregation of their land".


The well renowned Imam Hassan Al-Mawardi(ra) in his book "AlAahkam Al-Sultaniyah" page 9 says: "It is forbidden for the Ummah to have two Imams (leaders) at the same time."


Imam An-Nawawi in his book "Mughni Al-Muhtaj", volume 4, page 132 says: "It is forbidden to give an oath to two Imams or more, even in different parts of the world and even if they are far apart". He also stated in his book, "Sharhu Sahih Muslim" (explanation of Sahih Muslim) chapter 12 page 231, "If a baya'a were taken for two Khalifahs one after the other, the baya'a of the first one would be valid and it should be fulfilled and honoured whereas the baya'a of the second would be invalid, and it would be forbidden to honour it. This is the right opinion which the majority of scholars follow, and they agree that it would be forbidden to appoint two Khalifah's at one given time, no matter how great and extended the Islamic lands become".


The Imam Ibnu Hazm in his book "Al-Muhalla", volume 4, page 360 says: "It is unlawful to have more than one Imam in the whole of the world".


Al-Imam Al-Juzieri, an expert on the Fiqh of the four great schools of thought said regarding the four Imams, "...It is forbidden for Muslims to have two Imams in the world whether in agreement or discord." From: "Fiqh ul-Mathahib ul- Arba'a" (the fiqh of the four schools of thought), volume 5, page 416.


Abu Hafs Umar al-Nasafi (rh.a.) a noted scholar of the 6th century Hijri states; "The Muslims simply must have an Imam (Khaleefah), who will execute the rules, establish the Hudud (penal system), defend the frontiers, equip the armies, collect Zakah, punish those who rebel (against the state) and those who spy and highwaymen, establish Jum'ah and the two 'Eids, settle the dispute among the servants (of Allah), accept the testimony of witnesses in matters of legal rights, give in marriage the young and the poor who have no family, and distribute the booty".


Imam Al-Juzayri, an expert on the Fiqh of the four great schools of thought said regarding the four Imams, "The Imams (scholars of the four schools of thought- Shafi'i, Hanafi, Maliki, Hanbali)- may Allah have mercy on them- agree that the Imamah (Leadership) is an obligation, and that the Muslims must appoint an Imam who would implement the deen's rites, and give the oppressed justice against the oppressors". ("Fiqh ul-Mathahib ul- Arba'a" [the Fiqh of the four schools of thought], volume 5, page 416.)


Imam al-Haythami said, "It is known that the Sahabah (r.a.h) consented that selecting the Imaam after the end of the era of Prophethood was an obligation (Wajib). Indeed they made it (more) important than the (other) obligations whilst they were busy with it over the burial of the Prophet (saw)". (al-Haythami in Sawaa'iq ul-haraqah:17.)


Imam al-Qurtubi (may Allah have mercy on him) said in his Tafseer of the verse, "Indeed, man is made upon this earth a Khaleefah" (TMQ 2:30) that: "This Ayah is a source in the selection of an Imaam, and a Khaleefah, he is listened to and he is obeyed, for the world is united through him, and the Ahkam (laws) of the Khaleefah are implemented through him, and there is no difference regarding the obligation of that between the Ummah, nor between the Imams except what is narrated about al-A'sam, the Mu'tazzili (a deviant group)...". (Tafseer ul-Qurtubi 264/1.)


Imam al-Qurturbi (may Allah have mercy on him) said, "The Khilafah is the pillar upon which other pillars rest".


Imam an-Nawawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said, "(The scholars) consented that it is an obligation upon the Muslims to select a Khaleefah". (Sharhu Sahih Muslim page 205 vol 12)
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jamil behram15:28
Imam ash-Shawkaani wrote in his book "Tafseer al-Qur'an al-Atheem", volume 2, page 215: "It is known from Islam by necessity (bi-dharoorah - i.e.: like prayer and fasting) that Islam has forbidden division amongst Muslims and the segregation of their land".

jamil behram15:28
AI-Imam AI-Joziri d 508AH AI fiqh alal Mathahib AI-Arba'a (the fiqh of the four schools of thought), (volume 5, page 416) says:


"The Imams (scholars of the four schools of thought) may Allah have mercy on them agree that the Imama is an obligation, and that the Muslims mUst appoint an Imam who would implement the deen's rites, and give the oppressed justice against the oppressors. It is forbidden for Muslims to have two Imams in the world whether in agreement or in discord".


Imam Bakillani in his book Kitab al Tawheed said


"The knowledge of Imamat is obligatory on every individual, just like the knowledge for prayer, fasting and hajj"


Sharh al-Aqa`id al-Nasafiyah of al Imam al Taftazani(died 809AH) pg 142-143


"There is Ijma`(concensus) that appointing an Imam is wajib(obligatory). The difference of opinion is on whether the the appointment must be by Allah or by his servants, and whether this basis (for appointment) is textual evidence or rational proof.


The adoption is that it is obligatory upon the servants by textual evidence because of the saying of the messenger (saw): "Whoever dies not having known the Imam of his time (i.e. bound himself in Bayah), dies the death of Jahilliyah (ignorance)." Also, the ummah agreed that this was the most important duty following the death of the Messenger (saw), so important in fact that they considered it more important than the matter of his burial, and so also has it been after the death of each Imam. And they must appoint someone, for so many Shariah obligations depend on this duty, as he (i.e. al-Nasafi, who was a noted Hanafi scholar who died in 1142 CE) indicated by this statement:


"The muslims simply must have an Imam, who will execute the rules, establish the hudud (penal system), defend the frontiers, equip the armies, collect the zakah, punish those who rebel (against the state) and those who spy and highwaymen, establish the jum`ah and the two Eids, settle the disputes amongst the servants (of Allah), accept the testimony of witnesses in matters of legal rights, give in marriage the young and poor who have no family, and distribute the booty ' (Taftazani adds:) ' and similar matters which other individuals from the ummah are not allowed to be in charge of."


Imam Nawawi in Sharh al Muslim (commenatry on Sahih Muslim) said in Volume 1 page 139:


"No scholar has ever said that Islam can be implemented gradually"
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jamil behram15:29
‎(Al-jami al-Ahkam al-Quran (Sura 6:190). Ahkam al-Quran by Al-Jasas (Sura 2:533)


Imam Al-Qurtubi said, that, Ibn Masud and Al Hasan said;


" it is general for all who do not judge by what Allah has revealed, meaning believing in that and making it lawful to do so."


Imam Qurtabi states in his AL Ahkam al Quran, VOL IV, pg, 47.


"everyone is not capable to command the right and to forbid the wrong, it can be effectively performed by the ruler (khalifah), for he holds the authority to frame such laws that may be in accord with shariah. His is the final word in all matters of consequence such as the legislation of laws and treatment of prisoners. The head of state should entrust an honest, strict and righteous person the responsibility of enforcing the dictates of shariah in all matters. For Allah says, 'If we establish them in the land, (they are those who) establish regular prayer."


Imam Ibn Taymiah States in his book AL Hasba Fi Islam, pg, 57.


"commanding the right and forbidding the wrong, remains ineffective unless the law (shariah) is operative in a society. The state is the best agency to enforce the directive of the Quran. It is obligatory on the rulers to enforce the law (shariah) which would result in commanding the right and forbidding the wrong."


Ibn Taymiah states in his book AL Hasba Fi AL Islam, pg, 37
"The purpose of an Islamic State is to command the right and to forbid the wrong."


Sharhu Sahih Muslim VOL, 12, pg, 205, Imam an-Nawawi said,


"(The scholars) consented that it is an obligation upon the Muslims to select a Khalifah"


(Siyasah Shariyah) chapter 'the obligation of adherence to the leadership, Ibn Taymiyah said,


" It is obligatory to know that the office in charge of commanding over the people (ie: the Khilafah post) is one of the greatest obligations of the deen. In fact , there is no establishment of the deen without it (ie: the Khilafah post) this is the opinion of the salaf, such as al-Fadl Ibn Iyaad, Imam Ahmed Ibn Hanbal and others"
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jamil behram15:29
‎(al-haythami in Sawaa'iq ul-Haraqah:17.) Imam al-haythami d 807AH said,


" It is known that the Sahabah (r.a.h) consented that selecting the Imaam after the end of the era of prophethood was an obligation (wajib). Indeed they made it (more) important than the (other) obligations whilst they were busy with it over the burial of the Prophet (saw)".


(Kitab ul-Kafi) Imam Ahmed d 241AH, said,


"The fitna ( mischief and tribulations) occurs when there is no Imam established over the affairs of the people".


Al-Juwaini (Imama Al-Haramn) in his book Ghayyath Al-Ummam,p 54 said "There is a consensus among Muslims from all schools of thoughts that the Imama (Khilafah) is Fard"


Imam al Amidi- Shafi Mazhab, Fi Gayat-ul-muram, pg 364 Said


"The opinion of the people of huq, amongst the muslims say, that establishing the imamah and appointing the imam and obeying him is fard upon muslims"


Imam Ibnu-Hazm d 452AH, in Fasal Min-al-Nihal vol 4, pg 87 Said "It is agreed upon all al alsunnah , that establishing the imamah is fard upon the muslims, and it is an obligation upon them to be under one imam to establish the ahkam of Allah and to lead them by the ahkam of shariah"


Imam al Nasafi, Fi Hashyat-Shar al-aqaid al nasafia pg 187 Said</h3> "Appointing the imam is fard- an obligation upon all muslims"


Imam al Bagdadi, d 463AH, Fi Kitab al Farku-Bayn al Firk, pg 210 Said,


"The imamah is fard wajib upon the ummah in order to appoint the imam, to implement the shariah and obeying him"


Imam Ibn Taymiah, Fi al Nazarat syasia al Islamiah, pg 175 Said


"Appointing the Khalifah and obeying him, is an obligation upon the muslim ummah"


Imam Nauwi, Fi Shar Muslim, vol 12 pg 205 Said "The scholars are agreed upon, that it is an obligation upon the muslims to appoint a khalifah"


Imam Ibn Taimiyah al-Siyasah at-Shar'iyah, Said,


"Sixty years of an unjust imam (oppressive khalifah) is better than one night without a sultan (Islamic authority)"


Imam ash-Shawkaani in "Tafseer al-Qur'an al-Atheem", volume 2, page 215:


"It is known from Islam by necessity (bi-dharoorah - i.e.: like prayer and fasting) that Islam has forbidden division amongst Muslims and the segregation of their land".
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jamil behram15:30
‎(al-haythami in Sawaa'iq ul-Haraqah:17.) Imam al-haythami d 807AH said,


" It is known that the Sahabah (r.a.h) consented that selecting the Imaam after the end of the era of prophethood was an obligation (wajib). Indeed they made it (more) important than the (other) obligations whilst they were busy with it over the burial of the Prophet (saw)".


(Kitab ul-Kafi) Imam Ahmed d 241AH, said,


"The fitna ( mischief and tribulations) occurs when there is no Imam established over the affairs of the people".


Al-Juwaini (Imama Al-Haramn) in his book Ghayyath Al-Ummam,p 54 said "There is a consensus among Muslims from all schools of thoughts that the Imama (Khilafah) is Fard"


Imam al Amidi- Shafi Mazhab, Fi Gayat-ul-muram, pg 364 Said


"The opinion of the people of huq, amongst the muslims say, that establishing the imamah and appointing the imam and obeying him is fard upon muslims"


Imam Ibnu-Hazm d 452AH, in Fasal Min-al-Nihal vol 4, pg 87 Said "It is agreed upon all al alsunnah , that establishing the imamah is fard upon the muslims, and it is an obligation upon them to be under one imam to establish the ahkam of Allah and to lead them by the ahkam of shariah"


Imam al Nasafi, Fi Hashyat-Shar al-aqaid al nasafia pg 187 Said</h3> "Appointing the imam is fard- an obligation upon all muslims"


Imam al Bagdadi, d 463AH, Fi Kitab al Farku-Bayn al Firk, pg 210 Said,


"The imamah is fard wajib upon the ummah in order to appoint the imam, to implement the shariah and obeying him"


Imam Ibn Taymiah, Fi al Nazarat syasia al Islamiah, pg 175 Said


"Appointing the Khalifah and obeying him, is an obligation upon the muslim ummah"


Imam Nauwi, Fi Shar Muslim, vol 12 pg 205 Said "The scholars are agreed upon, that it is an obligation upon the muslims to appoint a khalifah"


Imam Ibn Taimiyah al-Siyasah at-Shar'iyah, Said,


"Sixty years of an unjust imam (oppressive khalifah) is better than one night without a sultan (Islamic authority)"


Imam ash-Shawkaani in "Tafseer al-Qur'an al-Atheem", volume 2, page 215:


"It is known from Islam by necessity (bi-dharoorah - i.e.: like prayer and fasting) that Islam has forbidden division amongst Muslims and the segregation of their land".
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Muhammad Irfan Kas15:31Edit
Please again only explain the points discussed and questioned.




My dear! The Hadees of Muslim does not have any reference number.
Secondly,‘Whosoever takes off his hand from allegiance to Allah (swt) will meet Him (swt) on the Day of Resurrection without having any proof for him, and whoso dies whilst there was no Bay'ah (allegiance) on his neck (to a Khaleefah), he dies a death of Jahiliyyah (ignorance).'" [Muslim]


1.........It gives the impression that The word "(to a Khaleefah)" is included by yourself it is not a part of Hadees.
Please Explain why?
Who has define this Hadees.
Please explain it through the original books.




"No, as long as they establish Salah (meaning Islam) among you."


2...........Now here also "(meaning Islam)" are your words . Who has made define this to you people. From which book you get the references. And who are the Scholars, name them.


3...........Has Yazeed done a Kufur or not?




4..........Who was the last Khalifah on Muslims ?
5..........And when?


Again I have not asked for your Fatwa about me.


jamil behramYesterday 19:52
Regarding yazeed Al-Dhahabi said: he was the commander of that army during the campaign against Constantinople, among which were people such as Abu Ayyoob al-Ansaari. Yazeed was appointed by his father as his heir, so he took power after his father died in Rajab 60 AH at the age of thirty-three, but his reign lasted for less than four years.

Yazeed is one of those whom we neither curse nor love. There are others like him among the khaleefahs of the two states (Umawi/Umayyad and ‘Abbaasi/Abbasid) and the governors of various regions, indeed there were some among them who were worse than him. But the issue in the case of Yazeed is that he was came to power forty-nine years after the death of the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him); it was still close to the time of the Prophet and some of the Sahaabah were still alive such as Ibn ‘Umar who was more entitled to the position than him or his father or his grandfather.

His reign began with the killing of the martyr al-Husayn and it ended with the battle of al-Harrah, so the people hated him and he was not blessed with a long life. There were many revolts against him after al-Husayn, such as the people of Madeenah who revolted for the sake of Allaah, and Ibn al-Zubayr.

(Siyar A’laam al-Nubalaa’, part 4, p. 38)

Shaykh al-Islam described people’s attitudes towards Yazeed ibn Mu’aawiyah, and said:

The people differed concerning Yazeed ibn Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan, splitting into three groups, two extreme and one moderate.

One of the two extremes said that he was a kaafir and a munaafiq, that he strove to kill the grandson of the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to spite the Messenger of Allaah and to take revenge on him, and to avenge his grandfather ‘Utbah, his grandfather’s brother Shaybah and his maternal uncle al-Waleed ibn ‘Utbah and others who were killed by the companions of the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), by ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib and others on the day of Badr and in other battles – and things of that nature. To have such a view is easy for the Raafidis who regard Abu Bakr, ‘Umar and ‘Uthmaan as kaafirs, so it is much easier for them to regard Yazeed as a kaafir.

The second extreme group think that he was a righteous man and a just leader, that he was one of the Sahaabah who were born during the time of the Prophet and were carried and blessed by him. Some of them give him a higher status than Abu Bakr and ‘Umar, and some of them regard him as a prophet. Both views are obviously false to one who has the least common sense and who has any knowledge of the lives and times of the earliest Muslims. This view is not attributable to any of the scholars who are known for following the Sunnah or to any intelligent person who has reason and experience.

The third view is that he was one of the kings of the Muslims, who did good deeds and bad deeds. He was not born until the caliphate of ‘Uthmaan. He was not a kaafir but it was because of him that the killing of al-Husayn happened, and he did what he did to the people of al-Harrah. He was not a Sahaabi, nor was he one of the righteous friends of Allaah. This is the view of most of the people of reason and knowledge and of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah.

Then they divided into three groups, one which cursed him, one which loved him and one which neither cursed him nor loved him. This is what was reported from Imaam Ahmad, and this is the view of the fair-minded among his companions and others among the Muslims. Saalih ibn Ahmad said: I said to my father, some people say that they love Yazeed. He said, O my son, does anyone love Yazeed who believes in Allaah and the Last Day? I said, O my father, why do you not curse him? He said, O my son, when did you ever see your father curse anybody?

Abu Muhammad al-Maqdisi said, when he was asked about Yazeed: according to what I have heard he is neither to be cursed nor to be loved. He said, I also heard that our grandfather Abu ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Taymiyah was asked about Yazeed and he said: we do not deny his good qualities or exaggerate about them. This is the fairest opinion.

Majmoo’ Fataawa Shaykh al-Islam, part 4, p. 481-484
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jamil behramYesterday 20:10
i never claimed that kiyani was a "kafir"
and kiyani make friends for kuffar .. though ALLAH had forbidden muslims from doing so.
ALLAH called the person fasiqoon,zalimoon and kafiron who did not rule by what ALLAH revealed.
and kiyani doesn't rule by what ALLAH revealed.
ALLAH(Swt) made is haram to heelp kuffar against muslims,though kiyani helps th kuffar against muslims.
as the stand of hussien(ra) was haq against yazeed,
it's also haq to stand against kiyani !
(so if you love yazeed you would love kiyani)
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Muhammad Irfan Kas16:00Edit
Imam Jala;uddin Sayyoti is the Imam of Faith (Aqaid) in Ahl e Sunnat, and we Ahle Sunnat consider him much authentic then todays home made Scholars who brings new things in Quran and Hadees, just like you are accepting here.:


1..........""""the word khaleeefah isn't added by us !
nor did we adde the word (meaning islam)
this is what scholars explained.""""
Can you please name the Scholars.
i do not have the ref of this hadith but i have metion couple of other hadith with complete refrences if you ahve any problem with this hadith,then why areen't you accepting the other hadith.(this shows that you are not interesting to accept the truth,you are only here to prove what you believe)


Now my Dear as I have told you before that your school of thought is very much near to Wahabism. And your most references are also from Wahabism. We can never meet because of the references you are posting has no worth regarding the wahabism thought. Some references are also from Ahl e Sunnat but when we only see the references of Ahl e Sunnat, the picture becomes opposite.
The reference you have posted me before, the very first page has these 2 Ahadees which are manipulated to misguide the Muslims about Bayet and Khalafat,
This shows the bad deed.


‘Whosoever takes off his hand from allegiance to Allah (swt) will meet Him (swt) on the Day of Resurrection without having any proof for him, and whoso dies whilst there was no Bay'ah (allegiance) on his neck (to a Khaleefah), he dies a death of Jahiliyyah (ignorance).'" [Muslim]

1.........It gives the impression that The word "(to a Khaleefah)" is included by yourself it is not a part of Hadees.
Please Explain why?
Who has define this Hadees.
Please explain it through the original books.


"No, as long as they establish Salah (meaning Islam) among you."

2...........Now here also "(meaning Islam)" are your words . Who has made define this to you people. From which book you get the references. And who are the Scholars, name them.
My Dear Islam is not the name of these Ahadith and Quranic verses only. There are many other Ahadith and Quranic verses which helps Muslims on how to live in this world. But this Wahabism is just a Fitna, and whatever are their explanations are not acceptable as they are the cause root of every Fitna. As far as Ibn e Timiyah, these Wahabi's has always quote him. And we are not bound to follow him. According to Ahl e Sunnat he is from Moatazilla (if I am not forgetting).
The two key Ahadis which are not mentioned in this discussionare as follows and it also defines the point of view of Ahl e Sunnat.

http://irfankas.blogspot.com/2012/05/ahl-e-sunnat-s-point-of-view-on.html

I am not against of what you are doing against KAYANI, ZARDARI or GELANI. I am just against the way you people are trying to manipulate Muslims for your deeds(good or bad). You people are not given the charge of all Muslims that you do whatever you want to do.
There is a whole Muslim Society and by obtaining the name of Islam you are creating Fitna's. Give respect to the Muslim Society and how it is working.

You people can create a political party without using the name of Khilafat and Islam and struggle as you wish.
The big part ( Ahl e Sunnat ) does not give the wrong meaning of Khilafat as you people are.
We Ahl e Sunnat know that you people are against " Ya Rasool Allah".
These are the root differences between Ahl e Sunnat and Wahabism.
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