Sunday, 4 November 2012

Another discussion with a good friend.


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Sharesabdur Rauf and Sonu G
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Only for Muslims who practice their life according to the Jurisprudence(Fiqh) of Hazrat Imam Abu Hanifa, Hazrat Imam Shfai, Hazrat Imam Malik, Hazrat Imam Amed bin Humble, and their faith or belief is also according to the beliefs of these 4 noble people named above.
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OMAR - AL - MUKHTAARYesterday 18:55
why not you included  imam e zufr, imam e muhammad , imam abu yusuf ?? 

OMAR - AL - MUKHTAARYesterday 19:08
The pillars of this committe were Imam Abu Yusuf(R), Imam Zufar(R), Imam Dawood Taa'ee(R), Imam Yusuf bin Khaalid(R), Imam Yahya bin Zakariyyah(R), Imam Muhammed(R),Hadhrat Imam Abdullah ibn Mubarak(R) and Imam Abu Hanifa himself.

then why you mentioned above 4 imam's names ?? 
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Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 19:11Edit
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These all are coming under Hanafi school of thoughts.

Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 19:15Edit
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The 40 Students of Imam Abu Hanifa and the Ulama of the founding Hanafi School

1. Imam Zufar(R) (Passed away 158 A.H.)
2. Imam Malik bin Mughawwal(R) (Passed away 159 A.H.)
3. Imam Dawood Taa'ee(R) (Passed away 160 A.H.)
4. Imam Mandil bin Ali(R) (Passed away 168 A.H.)
5. Imam Nadhar bin Abdul Kareem(R) (Passed away 169 A.H.)
6. Imam Amr bin Maymoon(R)(Passed away 171 A.H.)
7. Imam Hiban bin Ali(R) (Passed away 173 A.H.)
8. Imam Abu Ismah(R) (Passed away 173 A.H.)
9. Imam Zuhayr bin Mu'aawiyah(R) (Passed away 173 A.H.)
10. Imam Qaasim bin Ma'n(R) (Passed away 175 A.H.)
11. Imam Hammad bin Imam Abu Hanifa(R) (Passed away 176 A.H.)
12. Imam Hayyaaj bin Bistaam(R) (Passed away 177 A.H.)
13. Imam Shareek bin Abdullah(R) (Passed away 178 A.H.)
14. Imam Aafiyah bin Yazeed(R) (Passed away 180 A.H.)
15. Imam Abdullah ibn Mubarak(R) (Passed away 181 A.H.)
16. Imam Abu Yusuf(R) (Passed way 182 A.H.)
17. Imam Muhammad bin Nuh(R) (Passed away 182 A.H.)
18. Imam Hushaym bin Basheer Sulami(R) (Passed away 183 A.H.)
19. Imam Abu Sa'eed Yahya bin Zakariyyah(R) (Passed away 184 A.H.)
20. Imam Fadhl bin Ayyaadh(R) (Passed away 187 A.H.)
21. Imam Asad bin Amr(R) (Passed away 188 A.H.)
22. Imam Muhammad bin Hasan as Shaybani(R) (Passed away 189 A.H.)
23. Imam Ali bin Mis'ar(R) (Passed away 189 A.H.)
24. Imam Yusuf bin Khalid(R) (Passed away 189 A.H.)
25. Imam Abdullah bin Idrees(R) (Passed away 192 A.H.)
26. Imam Fadhl bin Moosa(R) (Passed away 192 A.H.)
27. Imam Ali bin Tibyaan(R) (Passed away 192 A.H.)
28. Imam Hafs bin Ghayyaath(R) (Passed away 194 A.H.)
29. Imam Wakee bin Jarrah(R) (Passed away 197 A.H.)
30. Imam Hisham bin Yusuf(R) (Passed away 197 A.H.)
31. Imam Yahya bin Sa'eed al Qattan(R) (Passed away 198 A.H.)
32. Imam Shu'ayb bin Ishaq(R) (Passed away 198 A.H.)
33. Imam Abu Mutee Balkhi(R) (Passed away 199 A.H.)
34. Imam Abu Hafs bin Abdur Rahmaan(R) (Passed away 199 A.H.)
35. Imam Khalid bin Sulayman(R) (Passed away 199 A.H.)
36. Imam Abdul Hameed(R) (PAssed away 203 A.H.)
37. Imam Hasan bin Ziyaad(R) (Passed away 204 A.H.)
38. Imam Abu Aasim Nabeel(R) (Passed away 212 A.H.)
39. Imam Makki bin Ibraheem(R) (Passed away 215 A.H.)
40. Imam Hammad bin Daleel(R) (Passed away 215 A.H.) 
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Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 19:18Edit
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With regard to this committee, Imam Wakee(R) who was the teacher of Imam Shafi'i(R) said, "How could there have remained any errors in this work of Imam Abu Hanifa(R) when he had with him experts of Hadith, experts in Arabic....A person who has such people as companions cannot be wrong because there would always be someone to correct him if he erred"
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OMAR - AL - MUKHTAARYesterday 21:57
thats is . . i want to convey this point . .

just like that ASHRA MUBASHRAH SAHABA KIRAAM . . .
although all SAHABA kiraam are jannati confirmed no doubt .

but due to diffrent drjaats . . . ASHRA MUBASHRRAH 10 COMPANIONS . .  
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OMAR - AL - MUKHTAARYesterday 21:58
i hope you are getting me :) 

Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 22:02Edit
Here the point is that these companions know in their life about Jannah. So why Ahl e Bait are not mentioned? The Ahadith are much stronger but I have never seen the post from the side of my "Naasbi" friends.

OMAR - AL - MUKHTAARYesterday 22:04
Do you know the meaning of SAHABA R.A  ??

do you know the meaning of AHL E BAIT R.A ??

have you list of members of AHL E BAIT R.A ?? 
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Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 22:06Edit
And if we mention about the "Darajaat". Then Both Hasnain Karimain are the leaders of Youth. and Hazrat Fatimah Radiallah Anha is the leader of women in Jannah. So their Darajaat are not less. 

Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 22:07Edit
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The companions of our beloved prophet Hazrat Muhammad Sallalaho Alaihe Wassalam.
Do you know the meaning of Ahl e Bait?

OMAR - AL - MUKHTAARYesterday 22:15
no need to  give explanations to a muslim, sunni , hanafi . bcz me too a hanafi . . .

but one thing when you use word AHL E BAIT then must write the names of all UMMAHA TUL MOMINEEN first then other siblings . . .
bcz i never ever seen the names when some one use word AHL E BAIT . .
can you count all AHL E BAIT R.A members ?? right now 
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Muhammad Irfan Kas10:27Edit
Yes now you have come to the point.  Whenever a post comes or any comment come which describes the place of Ahl e Bait Radiallah Anhum especially about the leaders of women in Jannah Hazrat Bibi Fatima Zahra RadiAllah Anha and Hazrat Imam Hussain and Imam Hassan RadiAllah Anho the leaders of young in Jannah, my friends of Naasbi thoughts never appreciate them. Now I am worried that we people are leaving our position only because of the enemity of Shia, and are giving this place to Shia. We declare that we respect all Companions including all the Ahl e Bait, then why are we not able to take the name of above Ahl e Bait.
One thing , I did not remember the Quranic verse, but the meaning and tafseer tells us that those who come to Islam in early days are not equal to the people who accept Islam afterwards. Then Likewise those who are MUslim in Gazwa e Badar are more in Daraja't  that become Muslim afterwards. And at one point, it is clearly written that the people who were Muslims before Fatah e Makkah are much more in Daraja't then those who accept after Fatah e Makkah. Example: Hazrat Abu Sufiyan and Hazrat Ameer Mu'Awia both become muslim after Fatah e Makkah. Now according to Quranic verse they are not equal to Hazrat Aboobakar RadiAllah Anho, Hazrat Umar RadiAllah Anho, Hazrat Ali RadiAllah Anho and cannot be equal to Hazrat Imam Hassan and Hussain RadiAllah Anhum. From History we came to know that after Fatah e Makkah there was nothing left for disbelievers to fight for and the only way was to accept Islam. From history we also know that Hazrat Abu Sufiyan has lead all the battles against our beloved Hazrat Muhammad Sallalaho Alaihe Wassalam but not was present in Badar, but history also tells us that the reason was Hazrat Abu Suffiyan.
The truth of history cannot be change because of our wishes.
Secondly  by keeping in mind the meaning of the words of Quran""those who come to Islam in early days are not equal to the people who accept Islam afterwards""" Who were the people who suffrered most in Sha'ab Abu Talib. It was a long period when our beloved prophet Hazrat Muhammad Sallalaho Alaihe Wassalam and the family suffers most. The people can be counted on fingers who were suffering the problems of those days of hardships. Do you remember them? Hazrat AbuTalib RadiAllah Anho, Hazrat Khadija tul Kubra RadiAllah Anha, Hazrat Ali RadiAllah Anho, Hazrat Bibi Fatima RadiAllah Anha are from the members of Islam from that time. The reward of being the leaders in Jannah is because of the hardships face by these noble persons. Now think that how much these noble people were close to our beloved prophet Hazrat Muhammad Sallalaho Alaihe Wassalam and how much they must have taken knowledge and must have taken ""Faiz"" from our beloved prophet Hazrat Muhammad Sallalaho Alaihe Wassalam. Hazrat Aboobakar RadiAllah Anho were helpful to these noble people by helping them in the time of boycott of all the residents of Makkah. The small children who were taught by Hazrat Bibi Fatima RadiAllah Anha were the best people counted in History.
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OMAR - AL - MUKHTAAR10:36
Hazrat AbuTalib RadiAllah Anho ??

when he was accepted Islam and recite Kalma ??

2ndly why again and again missing the UMMAHA TUL MOMINEEN main members of AHL E BAIT ??

i think JANAB PEER AKHONDZADAH SAIFUR REHMAN SAHIB never ever missed UMMAHATUL MOMINEEN . .

whats you main problem brother ?? share with me 
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Muhammad Irfan Kas10:39Edit
Yes, My dear Hazrat Abu Talib RadiAllah Anho.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/98699580/Tahkeeq-e-Iman-Abu-Talib

According to Quranic verse at the time of Mubahila Ahl e Bait are known as "Panjtan".  Secondly can you tell me in the history any other offspring of our beloved prophet Hazrat Muhammad Sallalaho Alaihe Wassalam whose family can be counted or known or present in the world today? No, you cannot , because it is according to the wish of Allah that only Hazrat Fatima RadiAllah Anha's family is found up till now.  
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OMAR - AL - MUKHTAAR10:42
so UMMAHA TUL MOMINEEN are not AHL E BAIT . . good . . . great . . .

2ndly plz show the reference from all 4 mazahib hanafi , maliki, shaafi, hanmbali . . 
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Muhammad Irfan Kas10:47Edit
Why not. How can you say this. Please go through all of my blogs. 

OMAR - AL - MUKHTAAR10:48
its done brother . . u didnt write single time word UMMAHA TUL MOMINEEN are ahl e bait . . .

well read this . .
http://islamistruth.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/abu-talib-a-disbeliever/
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Muhammad Irfan Kas10:53Edit
Ahl e Bait Ummahat ul Momineen are always accepted. Are you denying the quranic verse of Mubahila?
1. Yes
2. No
I know this bullshit spread about Hazrat Abu Talib RadiAllah Anho, so please keep it to yourself. All the answers are given in the book referred above.
 
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OMAR - AL - MUKHTAAR10:57
you didn't share the list of AHL E BAIT yet ??

HAZRAT FATIMA TUZ ZUHRA R.A no doubt KHATOON E JANNAT , SARDAR of ALL WOMEN IN JANNAH

HAZRAT IMAM E HUSSAIN R.A also SARDAR OF (YOUNGERSTERS) IN JANNAH

jannat main nojwano k sardar . . . 
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OMAR - AL - MUKHTAAR10:58
and according to all your words . you seems to be like out of hanafi fiqah because neither deobandis have these type of concepts nor brelvis are at this stage . . . 

Muhammad Irfan Kas11:00Edit
I am neither Deobandi nor Barelvi. May Allah alway keep me out of both Fitnahs

OMAR - AL - MUKHTAAR11:01
plz first clarify which maslak you belongs ??

bcz we all familiar with ATA ULLAH BANDYALVI SAHIB . .   

OMAR - AL - MUKHTAAR11:03
thats great . . good to know . . .
plz pray 2 rakaat salat ul shukr  . .

Muhammad Irfan Kas11:04Edit
So it is very good. You are familiar with ATA ULLAH BANDYALVI SAHIB . .   but not familiar with ATA Muhammad BANDYALVI SAHIB . .   

Muhammad Irfan Kas11:04Edit
Yes why not.

OMAR - AL - MUKHTAAR11:10
my guess is right . . you belongs to this

http://www.tauheed-sunnat.com/book/261/Mamati-Fitna/

Muhammad Irfan Kas11:10Edit
The names of Ummahat ul Momineen.

http://www.lawaonline.com/blog/ummahat-ul-momineen-in-urdu-the-wives-of-prophet-muhammad-pbuh/

Please answer:
 Are you denying the quranic verse of Mubahila?
1. Yes
2. No
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OMAR - AL - MUKHTAAR11:12
+Muhammad Irfan Kas amzaing . . tumhen UMMAHA TUL MOMINEEN k naam zubani yaad hi nahi . .

or dawa krte ho AHL E BAIT se muhabbat ka . .

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA . . . LOL 
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Muhammad Irfan Kas11:13Edit
How can you join me to this Mamati Bullshit. These all belongs to Yazeedi Zakir Naik type.

OMAR - AL - MUKHTAAR11:14
so rest of world is bullshit dear . . .

you and your small group are paak saaf bakhsay hue :P 

Muhammad Irfan Kas11:16Edit
""""""amzaing . . tumhen UMMAHA TUL MOMINEEN k naam zubani yaad hi nahi . .

or dawa krte ho AHL E BAIT se muhabbat ka . .

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA . . . LOL """""

My Dear to know the name by heart is the part of  "Iman" ?
I have not asked for the certificate from you for my love to Ahl e Bait?
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Muhammad Irfan Kas11:16Edit
Please answer:
 Are you denying the quranic verse of Mubahila?
1. Yes
2. No
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OMAR - AL - MUKHTAAR11:18
of course you need it . . but you are denying in words . .

btw then why you wrote  3, 4 times names of HAZRAT FATIMA TUZ ZUHRA R.A , HAZRAT IMAM E HUSAIN R.A ??
and not wrote single time names of UMMAHA TUL MOMINEEN ?? 
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OMAR - AL - MUKHTAAR11:20
to tum phir usi apni asliyat pe a gae :P

hahaha . . tum nai bdlo gay . . . 

Muhammad Irfan Kas11:25 (edited)Edit
The discussion concern the point of Hasnain Karimain and Hazrat Fatima Zahra RadiAllah Anhum, so just to beat about the bush is not my point. Again the question is  ::
Your certificate is not approved. I am not here because of your certificates.
My Dear to know the name by heart is the part of  "Iman" ?
1. Yes
2. No
Please answer:
 Are you denying the quranic verse of Mubahila?
1. Yes
2. No
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OMAR - AL - MUKHTAAR11:25
discussion is about AHL E BAIT . . . my dear . .

don't try to become clever :P 

Muhammad Irfan Kas11:27Edit
It must be the fault of understanding:
My questions are unanswered please try again:
My Dear to know the name by heart is the part of  "Iman" ?
1. Yes
2. No
Please answer:
 Are you denying the quranic verse of Mubahila?
1. Yes
2. No
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OMAR - AL - MUKHTAAR11:28
and if you from Saifi group . . . then nice to meet you :)

i love the saifi drama in their mahafil :) 

OMAR - AL - MUKHTAAR11:28
AHL E BAIT is the topic . . . list of AHL E BAIT ? 

Muhammad Irfan Kas11:33 (edited)Edit

It is not my concern that what you like or not. I will not change myself or give you any explanation because of your likeness or not.

Answer is not valid :
Please try again:
My Dear to know the name by heart is the part of  "Iman" ?
1. Yes
2. No
Please answer:
 Are you denying the quranic verse of Mubahila?
1. Yes
2. No
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http://irfankas.blogspot.com/2012/05/to-respect-ahl-e-bait-is-part-of-muslim.html

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