Thursday, 14 June 2012

Qawwali and Zikir. Another Discussion with Wahabis

Jawad ul haq +1'd your postAbu Ibraheem and Jawad ul haq commented on it.  -  17:56
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Muhammad Irfan Kas13 Jun 2012Edit
Ala Bi Zikirillah e  Tatma innal Quloob.

Muhammad Irfan Kas13 Jun 2012Edit

+Abu Ibraheem I have not asked Wahabis to have to be agree on our Zikr with us. This is not for wahabis.

Jawad ul haq13 Jun 2012


why they are kissing that mans hand....?

Muhammad Irfan Kas13 Jun 2012Edit

Why a person kiss his child or his wife ?
Have you never kissed a child?

Jawad ul haq13 Jun 2012


surey they r showing their love.,
Can you tell who is that man..

Abu Ibraheem14 Jun 2012
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Dear brother show me any hadith that it is allowed in islam, Please brother don't follow blindly to the sheikhs and imams the one person blindly you can follow is is our beloved Prophet Muhammad SAW

May Allah Guide us all

Abu Ibraheem14 Jun 2012


and please kindly don't delete my comments

JazakaAllah Kair

Muhammad Irfan Kas14 Jun 2012Edit

MY Dear first give me the Definition of Islam?

Muhammad Irfan Kas14 Jun 2012Edit

"""""Dear brother show me any hadith that it is allowed in islam,""""""
I have asked the question because of your remarks.
How will you define Islam ?
Please answer it thoroughly. Because the question you have put makes me consider that the definition of Islam must be cleared before  having any arguments and discussion?

Muhammad Irfan Kas14 Jun 2012Edit
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+Jawad ul haq http://irfankas.blogspot.com/2012/06/discussion-about-qawali-hadiyat-ul.html
This is about Qawwali incase if you have not reached yet

Abu IbraheemYesterday 03:24
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ISLAM is a way of life not just a religion and please read this Hadees

Wa kulla Bid'atin dhaialah, wa kulla dhalatin fin-naar" Al-Hadith (Sahih Muslim). Translation of the above Hadith: Every innovation is a misguidance and every misguidance goes to Hell fire.

JazakaAllah Kair

Jawad ul haqYesterday 04:34
ab jiss tarah qawal talia aur harmonium bajatay hai agar yeh kaam Hazrat Muhammad PBUH k samanay kartay tou un ka kiya rade amal hota...khud sochay.....

Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 10:42Edit
"""""ISLAM is a way of life not just a religion''''''''
according to this above quotation
1) To sit in a Car is Islam.  (Yes or No).
2) To use intenet is Islam. (Yes or No).
3) To wear Jeans is Islam. (Yes or No).
4) To watch a T.V is Islam (Yes or No).
5) To make a movie or photograph is Islam (Yes or No).

If Yes then give reasons and if No then why?
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Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 10:46Edit

""""ISLAM is a way of life not just a religion"""""
"""""Wa kulla Bid'atin dhaialah, wa kulla dhalatin fin-naar" Al-Hadith (Sahih Muslim). Translation of the above Hadith: Every innovation is a misguidance and every misguidance goes to Hell fire.""""""

Also please consider thid Hadith also, when posting answers.

Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 10:48Edit

''''''''Every innovation is a misguidance'''''''''''''' My mean is to consider these words.

Jawad ul haqYesterday 13:13
Brother you asked
To sit in a Car is islam?
To use internet is islam?
These are the things of duniya.Prophet Pbuh used horses and camels for transport ,Prophet Muhammad PBuh never forbade us from having the things of Duniya,Anyone can have these things as far as they are not forbidden...Agar Prophet kai douur mei internet hota aur woh mana farmatay to ham na use kartay bhai yeh to duniya ki cheez hai is ka deen sai kiya laina daina.Deen to woh hai Jo Allah k Rasool Muhammad PBUH nai bayaaan Kar dia.Ab agr ap apni marzi sai kuch add karay aur kahay keh yeh deen hai to Woh Deen kaisay ban sakta hai ..
"Al yauma Aklmalto Lakum deena kum".Prophet Pbuh .
Deen Mukamal ho gaya....Ab ap loug khud cheezay add kartay ho aur kehtay hoo yeh Deen hai ....Sawab ka jo kaam tha woh Allah k Rasool PBUH bata gayee hai ..
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Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 17:56Edit
Please can you mention what is the line of control betweed Deen and Dunya?

'''''''Anyone can have these things as far as they are not forbidden""""''
Where has this rule come from?
And who has told you?
Please with reference and Ahadith.


1)""""ISLAM is a way of life not just a religion"""""

'2)'''''''Deen to woh hai Jo Allah k Rasool Muhammad PBUH nai bayaaan Kar dia.Ab agr ap apni marzi sai kuch add karay aur kahay keh yeh deen hai to Woh Deen kaisay ban sakta hai ..''''''''''''''

According to the above comment then whatever you are mentioning me now is not matching. Both are opposite to each other.

2)'''''''Deen to woh hai Jo Allah k Rasool Muhammad PBUH nai bayaaan Kar dia.Ab agr ap apni marzi sai kuch add karay aur kahay keh yeh deen hai to Woh Deen kaisay ban sakta hai ..''''''''''''''

3)''''''''These are the things of duniya.Prophet Pbuh used horses and camels for transport ,Prophet Muhammad PBuh never forbade us from having the things of Duniya,Anyone can have these things as far as they are not forbidden...'''''''''''''''

These two comments given above are also just opposite to each other.
Please define it thoroughly.

3)''''''''These are the things of duniya.Prophet Pbuh used horses and camels for transport '''''''
Now you say to use transport is Dunya then why we are given the verse to recite when to go for a ride?

To go to a bathroom is Deen or Dunya?
To meet a person is Deen or Dunya?
Please just give me a list of Deen and a list of Dunya also.
because according to you people if
I3)''''''''These are the things of duniya."""""""
then what about those people who are naturalist (live naked).  Can a Muslim who give shahada (Ashhado An La Ilaha Illa Allah Wa Ashhado Anna Muhammad ur RasoolAllah) can live naked in a society. 
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Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 18:19Edit
""""""""To sit in a Car is islam?
To use internet is islam?
These are the things of duniya.Prophet Pbuh used horses and camels for transport ,Prophet Muhammad PBuh never forbade us from having the things of Duniya,Anyone can have these things as far as they are not forbidden...""""""""""

If Islam is a way of life then please define what do you mean by   """""a way of life""""""" .
It will help us to have our mind clear. 
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Jawad ul haqYesterday 20:09 (edited)
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its mean that in past we had horses,camels now we have cars,bikes and in upcoming years we will have new things Which Allah knows better..
But Deen-e-Islam will remain constant,it will not change,it is the same deen as 1400 years ago.The Quran Will not change untill the Day of judgement.The Sunnah will not change untill the Day of Judgement..It will remain same as narrated by Prophet Muhammad PBUH..
If someone add something in Deen of Muhmmad PBUh and tell people that it is Same DEen as Prophet PBUH narrated.May Allah Give him hidayat.When prophet PBUH said"Today,I have completed Deen on you".After this if someone add something may ALLah show him right path..
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Muhammad Irfan Kas11:11Edit
''''''''Every innovation is a misguidance''''''''''''''
What does this means?

Now you say to use transport is Dunya then why we are given the verse to recite when to go for a ride?
According to the verse it is deen or dunya?
Keep in mind that our beloved prophet recite the verses when he ride on camel, horse or any other animal.
To drink water is deen or Dunya ?
Whether we will get reward if we sit and drink water or not.

No list is provided:
Please just give me a list of Deen and a list of Dunya also.
because according to you people if
I3)''''''''These are the things of duniya."""""""
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Muhammad Irfan Kas11:27Edit
"""""""ab jiss tarah qawal talia aur harmonium bajatay hai agar yeh kaam Hazrat Muhammad PBUH k samanay kartay tou un ka kiya rade amal hota...khud sochay.....""""""""

According to the above comments """"""khud sochay.....""""""""
what do you mean?
Please give the comments, and tell us what do you mean?
Do you know literally that what would have been the reaction of our beloved prophet Hazrat Muhammad Sallalaho Alaihe Wassalam on the way of Zikr performed by these people. If you know then please write them also or else do not  give uncomplete comments.
Please justify your comments. 
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Muhammad Irfan Kas11:41Edit
""""".The Sunnah will not change untill the Day of Judgement..It will remain same as narrated by Prophet Muhammad PBUH..""""""

To ride in a Car is Sunnah?
To use internet is Sunnah?
To wear Jeans is Sunnah?

Abu Ibraheem11:51
Yes My Brother Please kindly prove these kinds of gathering that the time of Prophet salla hu alihi wasalam did or the sahabas times, please provide me one Hadees

JazakaAllah kair

Muhammad Irfan Kas11:55Edit

Please provide me one Hadees that our beloved prophet Hazrat Muhammad Sallalaho Alaihe Wassalam or the Sahaba's time has used Car or used Internet?

Abu Ibraheem12:12
brother you are talking totally wrong bcz these are the material life things that we use this for worldly gain and it can be haraam if we use this for haraam things like watching bad stuff on the internet or taking car to club etc..

so any religious things we must follow only What Allah SWT told us and the teachings of our beloved Prophet told us Sallalaho Alaihe Wassalam

so brother please provide me one hadees about these kind of gatherings

Wa kulla Bid'atin dhaialah, wa kulla dhalatin fin-naar" Al-Hadith (Sahih Muslim). Translation of the above Hadith: Every innovation is a misguidance and every misguidance goes to Hell fire.

May Allah SWT guide us All Ameen
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Abu Ibraheem12:25


Brother Please kindly watch this

http://youtu.be/lg_kxmrHZlw

JazakaAllah kair

Muhammad Irfan Kas12:26Edit
My Dear according to you
"""""ISLAM is a way of life not just a religion""""""""

And if according to your words.
""""""brother you are talking totally wrong bcz these are the material life things that we use this for worldly gain and it can be haraam if we use this for haraam things like watching bad stuff on the internet or taking car to club etc.."""""""

The reality of these gathering is according to
"""""Ala Bi Zikirillah e  Tatma innal Quloob.""""""
Now these gatherings are for Zikr Allah not for any dance or club.

Why Car and Internet is not in Islam and Zikr Mehfil is Islam.
When we sit and drink water, will we get the Reward(Sawab) or not?
If we get the reward then how to drink water is not Islam or to ride a car is not Islam. If we recite the verse of riding, will we get the reward(Sawab) or not? If we get the reward then how it is out of Islam and Zikr is in Islam?
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Muhammad Irfan Kas12:39Edit
After all of this I have mention it first that these Mehfil e Zikr clips are not for Wahabis.
We are from Ahl e Sunnat and therefore I have asked before that do not waste your time in just doing hanky panky.
Since the Definition of Islam is not matching, then how can we match in other things
.
My questions are still unanswered:
1)''''''''Every innovation is a misguidance''''''''''''''
What does this means?


2)According to the above comments """"""khud sochay.....""""""""
what do you mean?
Please give the comments, and tell us what do you mean?
Do you know literally that what would have been the reaction of our beloved prophet Hazrat Muhammad Sallalaho Alaihe Wassalam on the way of Zikr performed by these people. If you know then please write them also or else do not  give uncomplete comments.


3)""""".The Sunnah will not change untill the Day of Judgement..It will remain same as narrated by Prophet Muhammad PBUH..""""""

To ride in a Car is Sunnah?
To use internet is Sunnah?
To wear Jeans is Sunnah?

4)If Islam is a way of life then please define what do you mean by   """""a way of life""""""" .


5)'''''''Anyone can have these things as far as they are not forbidden""""''
Where has this rule come from?
And who has told you?
Please with reference and Ahadith.

6)Please can you mention what is the line of control betweed Deen and Dunya?


7)How do you differentiate between Deen and Dunya in Islam?



8)What are the rules which put something into Deen and the other thing into Dunya?


9)Please provide the """"list"""" that what work we do here will come in Dunya?
and what will come in Deen?
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Muhammad Irfan Kas12:45Edit
"""""brother you are talking totally wrong""""""
One more thing my Dear I have not asked for any Fatwa from you about whether I am wrong or not.
And by giving your Fatwa(comments) for me the reality will not change. So just discuss on the topic and never ever try to give your home made Fatawas about me. 

Abu Ibraheem18:00 (edited)
My Dear Brother I ask you just this......That did ever our beloved Prophet SAW did these kind of gatherings or NOT

and i want you to remind me this hadees


Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.667         Narrated by Abdullah bin Amr
The Prophet (saws) said ‘Whoever tells a lie on me intentionally, will surely take his place in the (Hell) Fire."

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 1.109         Narrated by Salama
I heard the Prophet (saws) saying, "Whoever (intentionally) ascribes to me what I have not said then (surely) let him occupy his seat in Hell-fire."

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 8.217         Narrated by Abu Huraira
The Prophet (saws) said, "Whoever intentionally ascribes something to me falsely, he will surely take his place in the (Hell) Fire.”

and since we have talk about this, you have NOT mention any daleel so please kindly show me any hadees that the Prophet SAW did this or the Sahaba

May Allah SWT Guige us all ameen

JazakaAllah kair
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Muhammad Irfan Kas17:59Edit
Answer Invalid Please Try Again.

Muhammad Irfan Kas18:00Edit
Please again take the questionnaire and try.

My questions are still unanswered:
1)''''''''Every innovation is a misguidance''''''''''''''
What does this means?


2)According to the above comments """"""khud sochay.....""""""""
what do you mean?
Please give the comments, and tell us what do you mean?
Do you know literally that what would have been the reaction of our beloved prophet Hazrat Muhammad Sallalaho Alaihe Wassalam on the way of Zikr performed by these people. If you know then please write them also or else do not  give uncomplete comments.


3)""""".The Sunnah will not change untill the Day of Judgement..It will remain same as narrated by Prophet Muhammad PBUH..""""""

To ride in a Car is Sunnah?
To use internet is Sunnah?
To wear Jeans is Sunnah?

4)If Islam is a way of life then please define what do you mean by   """""a way of life""""""" .


5)'''''''Anyone can have these things as far as they are not forbidden""""''
Where has this rule come from?
And who has told you?
Please with reference and Ahadith.

6)Please can you mention what is the line of control betweed Deen and Dunya?


7)How do you differentiate between Deen and Dunya in Islam?



8)What are the rules which put something into Deen and the other thing into Dunya?


9)Please provide the """"list"""" that what work we do here will come in Dunya?
and what will come in Deen?
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