Wednesday, 20 June 2012

The definition of Wahabbies in Discussion


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Iran has agreed to fund a new multi-million-dollar military base on the Syrian coast to make it easier to ship weapons and other military hardware between the two countries, according to Western intelligence reports.........

In Syria Sunnies are brutally killed by Shia government and Iran is fully funding and supporting to Syrian govt to crush on Sunnies about 50 to 100 people died in attacks including...
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Ringo Khan18 Jun 2012
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Must re share to show the actual face of Iranians toward Muslims.... 

Mohib Saloh18 Jun 2012
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true

Ramtin SirousYesterday 11:46
what the hell... All sunni muslims are killing shia muslims in bahrain and suadi arabia...
Iranian people hate syrian government!
our government is supporting Syria, but iranian people don't like their gov!
it's definitely false.. we don't kill any muslims...!!!

Ringo KhanYesterday 11:53

Dear I share the post and also share the links in support of my post and the info I share is also taken from the link you can visit.

Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 12:42Edit
These peoples are not Sunnies. Please understand the Difference between Sunnies and Wahabis.
These Wahabis(Yazeedis ) has disguised themselves behind the face of Sunnies. We Ahl e Sunnat are not with Wahabis. These Wahabis are Fitna's they have captured Sunnies and are the Allys(Partners) of USA.
http://irfankas.blogspot.com/2012/06/zaid-hamid-how-india-israil-saudia.html
These Wahabis want themselves to be known as Sunnies,  but in real they are against Sunnies and also they are against Pakistan.
They misguide people by propaganda of giving themselves the name of Sunnies.

For more information on Saudi Wahabis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi
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Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 12:55Edit
Also Please note that whatever it is written for Wahabbis in wikipedia I am not agreed.

Ringo KhanYesterday 13:02

hahaha... It mean you are not clear by yourself about Wahabbies....First make yourself clear... I already asked the difference but you dont reply....
and dear if Wahabis are against Pakistan and Sunnies than give the practical example, I gave you the practical example of Syria and you can check it how sunnies are killed there....
It is you people that are misguided by propaganda of  shia and shia nawaz people of difference b/w muslims by saying sunnies and wahabies...

Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 13:07Edit

I had asked the question about Ya RasoolAllah?

Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 13:08Edit

You Wahabbis ideology is always against Ya RasoolAllah
Is this true?

Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 13:10Edit


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Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 13:25Edit
Ibn Abd-al-Wahhab was influenced by the writings of Ibn Taymiyya and questioned the prevalent philosophical interpretations of Islam being the Ash'ari and Maturidi schools, claiming to rely on the Qur'an and the Hadith without speculative philosophy so as to not transgress beyond the limits of the early muslims known as the Salaf.[8] He attacked a "perceived moral decline and political weakness" in the Arabian Peninsula and condemned what he perceived as idolatry, the popular cult of saints, and shrine and tomb visitation.[8]
The terms Wahhabi and Salafi and ahl al-hadith (people of hadith) are often used interchangeably, but Wahhabi has also been called "a particular orientation within Salafism",[2] an orientation some consider ultra-conservative and heretical.[9][10]
According to Riadh Sidaoui, habitual use of the term Wahhabism is scientifically false, and the concept of Saudi Wahhabism should be substituted[clarification needed]. Indeed, it is an Islamic doctrine which is based on the historical alliance between the political and financial power represented by Ibn Saud and the religious authority represented by Abd Al-Wahhab; the doctrine continues to exist to this day thanks to this alliance, the financing of several religious channels and the formation of several sheikhs.[11]
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Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 13:28Edit
In 1801 and 1802, the Saudi Wahhabis under Abdul Aziz ibn Muhammad ibn Saud attacked and captured the holy Muslim cities of Karbala and Najaf in Iraq, massacred parts of the Muslim population and destroyed the tombs of Husayn ibn Ali, the grandson of Muhammad, and son of Ali (Ali bin Abu Talib), the son-in-law of Muhammad. (see: Saudi sponsorship mentioned previously) In 1803 and 1804 the Saudis captured Makkah and Medina and destroyed historical monuments and various holy Muslim sites and shrines, such as the shrine built over the tomb of Fatimah, the daughter of Muhammad, and even intended to destroy the grave of Muhammad himself as idolatrous. In 1998 the Saudis bulldozed and poured gasoline over the grave of Aminah bint Wahb, the mother of Muhammad, causing resentment throughout the Muslim World.[37][38][39]
Some Muslims, such as one of the most renowned Sunni scholar of Islam, Dr. Muhammad Sa'id Ramadan al-Buti [40] as well as Islamic Supreme Council of America, Abdul Hadi Palazzi, and Sheikh Aboobacker Ahmed (Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musalyar), General Secretary of All-India Jamiyyathul Ulama, the organisation Muslim scholars in India, classify Wahhabbism as extremist and heretical mainly based on Wahhabbism's rejection of traditional Sunni scholars and interpretation as followed by 96% of the World's Muslim population.[41][42][43]
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Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 13:31Edit
According to observers, such as Gilles Kepel, Wahhabism gained considerable influence in the Islamic World following a tripling in the price of oil in the mid-1970s and the progressive takeover of Saudi Aramco in the 1974–1980 period. The Saudi government began to spend tens of billions of dollars throughout the Islamic World to promote Wahhabism, which was sometimes referred to as "petro-Islam".[58] According to the documentary called The Qur'an aired in the UK, presenter Antony Thomas suggested the figure may be "upward of $100 billion".[59]
Its largess funded an estimated "90% of the expenses of the entire faith", throughout the Muslim World, according to journalist Dawood al-Shirian.[60] It extended to young and old, from children's madrasas to high-level scholarship.[61] "Books, scholarships, fellowships, mosques" (for example, "more than 1,500 mosques were built from Saudi public funds over the last 50 years") were paid for.[62] It rewarded journalists and academics, who followed it and built satellite campuses around Egypt for Al Azhar, the oldest and most influential Islamic university.[63]
This financial power has done much to overwhelm less strict local interpretations of Islam, according to observers like Dawood al-Shirian and Lee Kuan Yew,[60] and has caused the Saudi interpretation to be perceived as the correct interpretation in many Muslims' minds.[64]
The Saudis have spent at least $87 billion propagating Wahhabism abroad during the past two decades, and the scale of financing is believed to have increased in the past two years. The bulk of this funding goes towards the construction and operating expenses of mosques, madrasas, and other religious institutions that preach Wahhabism. It also supports imam training; mass media and publishing outlets; distribution of textbooks and other literature; and endowments to universities (in exchange for influence over the appointment of Islamic scholars). Some of the hundreds of thousands of non-Saudis who live in Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf have been influenced by Wahhabism and preach Wahhabism in their home country upon their return. Agencies controlled by the Kingdom's Ministry of Islamic Affairs, Endowments, Da'wah and Guidance are responsible for outreach to non-Muslim residents and are converting hundreds of non-Muslims into Islam every year.
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Muhammad Irfan KasYesterday 13:33Edit
Khaled Abou El Fadl attributed the appeal of Wahhabism to some Muslims as stemming from
Arab nationalism, which followed the Wahhabi attack on the Ottoman Empire;
Reformism, which followed a return to Salaf (as-Salaf aṣ-Ṣāliḥ;)
Destruction of the Hejaaz Khilafa in 1925;
Control of Mecca and Medina, which gave Wahhabis great influence on Muslim culture and thinking;
Oil, which after 1975 allowed Wahhabis to promote their interpretations of Islam using billions from oil export revenue.
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Ringo Khan08:56
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Ya RasoolAllah is said by Brelvi Maslik people and you are not a Brelvi as you said in your blog discussion so don't ask me that...

Iman e Abu Talib and Yazeed are the personalities discussed by Ulama and Scholars not by lay persons like us...and in both of these discussions you have no valid arguments against your opponents..Please dont mind..

On pic I want to do no comments just want to say that Lest info which is not complete is always create a fitna among people even if it is from Holy Quran...I had about more than 130 comments on some of pic you have, shared by persons here in this platforms...I also have many pic for you people but dont want to share because it is not the honest way...

And in other 4 comments you just copy and past the selective Wikipedia page info their is still no explanation of sunnies and Wahhabi difference and just some history of Saudi Arabia by written by non muslims you said Arab countries are wahabies states and in the same run here wikipedia said Saudi Arab are Wahhabi dont know why are you saying this again and again...

And at last you sahred a book as I already said please share the knowledge of book what you have, got not whole books...

Anyhow you take the world most dangerous satiation toward very small things like brelvi,deobandi and wahabee anyhow dear actually your this discrimination is not valid here. Actually Sunnis is a term uses for those who are Ahl-e-Sunnat wal Jamat and Ahle-e-Sunnat wal Jamat are those who follow Quran, sunnat nabvi (S.A.W.W) and the jamat of nabi pak(S.A.W.W) means their Sahaba. In Pakistan their are 2 sects who called them selves sunni! Brelvi and Deobandi
Next there are Gair Muqalledien those who follow Quran and Ahadees accourding to their sect in subcontinent they are known as Ahle-Hadees.

Those who follow 4 immams of Fiqah which is about 80 percent of the Muslims are have the same beliefs that follow Quran and Sunnat and their Sahaba (R.A) so accourding to that they are also Ahle-Sunnat and those who are Ahle Sunnat they can use the word sunni for them.

My dear You dont know who you are by sect but I recognize you, you are a brelvi by sect and you opposed arabic countries particularly of Suadi Arabia because of the difference of your beleves with saudi Arabians...But please dont put your personal matters as a hardel for support of the whole Muslims mankind because of your personal beleves difference you throw away all Muslims by just saying that they are Wahabies, than this is not fair...

May Allah bless and give Hadyat to all of us.
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Muhammad Irfan Kas13:24Edit
Ya RasoolAllah is said by Brelvi Maslik people and you are not a Brelvi as you said in your blog discussion so don't ask me that...


Can you define the word Barelvi?
Definition of Barelvi?
From where this term started, And what is the difference between Ahl e Sunnat and Barelvi?
And do you know about the Faith of Ahl e Sunnat?

Iman e Abu Talib and Yazeed are the personalities discussed by Ulama and Scholars not by lay persons like us...and in both of these discussions you have no valid arguments against your opponents..Please dont mind..

Ulema are here to transfer the knowledge, not to keep the knowledge to themselves.
The question is not between you and me. The question is of Ahle Sunnat and Wahabis.
Whatever Wahabis opinion will be discussed and  what Ahl e Sunnat has the opinion must be known to find the difference.
To differentiate a Wahabi (yazeedi) who disguise himselves behind the face of Ahl e Sunnat the points will be discussed.
When you say """"Ulama and Scholars""""" so please define the word Ulama and Scholars?
What is the definition?

Anyhow you take the world most dangerous satiation toward very small things like brelvi,deobandi and wahabee anyhow dear actually your this discrimination is not valid here. Actually Sunnis is a term uses for those who are Ahl-e-Sunnat wal Jamat and Ahle-e-Sunnat wal Jamat are those who follow Quran, sunnat nabvi (S.A.W.W) and the jamat of nabi pak(S.A.W.W) means their Sahaba. In Pakistan their are 2 sects who called them selves sunni! Brelvi and Deobandi
Next there are Gair Muqalledien those who follow Quran and Ahadees accourding to their sect in subcontinent they are known as Ahle-Hadees.

Can you define or know the Faithn of Ahl e Sunnat?

  Gair Muqalledien and Deobandi both are same because both have the faith of not to say Ya RasoolAllah in common.

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scribd.com%2Falishah_2003pk%2Fd%2F88441784-Haqaik-e-Thariqa-Bala-Kot&h=JAQGP32w4
These are the real face of Deobandi Ulama.

http://irfankas.blogspot.com/2012/03/wahabiat-deobandiat-qadianiat-29-photos.html
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Muhammad Irfan Kas13:37Edit

Whatever you want to say just remain on Topic and do not try to give your Fatawas about my personality.
 What I am and what I think is I know better then you.
But Deobandis Wahabis has a problem of telling lies(Bharam).
I do not post my views to have your opinion match with mine.
I just post my views for those who want to have a look on the real situation.
If you do not want to read the book, then please do not read the book.
Those who want to gain the knowledge will get it somehow.
Ahl e Sunnat is not the name of Barelvi or Hazrat Ahmed Raza Khan only.
Ahl e Sunnat has the roots from the deep inside the early followers of Islam including Sahaba  radiAllah Anho, in both the senses.
That is according to Faith and also according to Fiqh.
Can you define that the faith of not calling "''Ya RasoolAllah""" came into the history at what time?
Who was the first person who go against this Faith of Ahl e Sunnat in whole(4 Imam's).
Please with proof of books in which everything is originally written.
  
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Muhammad Irfan Kas13:48Edit

Lets have a look at this quotation:  96% of the Muslim World Reject Wahabism.


""""Some Muslims, such as one of the most renowned Sunni scholar of Islam, Dr. Muhammad Sa'id Ramadan al-Buti [40] as well as Islamic Supreme Council of America, Abdul Hadi Palazzi, and Sheikh Aboobacker Ahmed (Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musalyar), General Secretary of All-India Jamiyyathul Ulama, the organisation Muslim scholars in India, classify Wahhabbism as extremist and heretical mainly based on Wahhabbism's rejection of traditional Sunni scholars and interpretation as followed by 96% of the World's Muslim population.""""""




Look at this : It clearly says that Abdul Wahab Najadi Fitna was against the Muslim Sunni Scholars"""Ash'ari and Maturidi"""".
He was following """""""Ibn Taymiyya """"""" the scholar of Moatazilla.
with his home made philosophy and Moatazilla known as a wrong school of thought since very early in Ahl e Sunnat.


"""""""""Ibn Abd-al-Wahhab was influenced by the writings of Ibn Taymiyya and questioned the prevalent philosophical interpretations of Islam being the Ash'ari and Maturidi schools, claiming to rely on the Qur'an and the Hadith without speculative philosophy so as to not transgress beyond the limits of the early muslims known as the Salaf.[8] He attacked a "perceived moral decline and political weakness" in the Arabian Peninsula and condemned what he perceived as idolatry, the popular cult of saints, and shrine and tomb visitation""""""""""""
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Lets have alook at the translation made by Deoband Alim vs Mirza Qadiani.
http://irfankas.blogspot.com/2012/04/some-words-about-atta-ullah-shah.html


Ringo Khan16:23

Well said dear you have very limitted balance of YaRasoolAllah in which you are measuring every sect. I know the problem didnot solve after all definations untill you first define yourself if you are calling your self Ahle-Sunnat than you first define who is Ahle-Sunnat...Accourding to you those who said YaRasoolAllah and belief in Iman e AbuTalib those are Ahle-Sunnat and my belief of Ahle-Sunnat wal Jamat is what I alredy said now you have to prove your defination of Ahle-Sunnat.


Accourding to you Brelvi,Deobandi and Gair Muqalledin(which is not Deobandi) is not Ahle-Sunnat.


And dear Muhammad Sa'id Ramadan al-Buti is born in Syria a Wahabie state and his Sect is Shaffi and it is not written any where in his profile that he says YaRasool-Allah so accourding to your defination he is not a sunni if a person is not sunni how he represents sunnies can you please explain???


Next name is Abdul Hadi Palazzi born in Itali it is also not written in his profile that he says YaRasool-Allah so accourding to your defination he is also not in Ahle-Sunnat and not a sunni also how he represents sunnies??? And dear also view his views about Israel """Palazzi accepts Israel's sovereignty over the Holy Land""" and his views about Views on the Arab-Israeli Peace Process
"Palazzi opposes the US-backed roadmap for peace on the grounds that it rewards Palestinian terrorism.[13] He argues against calls for jihad against Israel and says there is no religious demand for Israel to give up control over Muslim holy places".


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Can you define that the faith of not calling "''Ya RasoolAllah""" came into the history at what time?
Who was the first person who go against this Faith of Ahl e Sunnat in whole(4 Imam's).
Please with proof of books in which everything is originally written.""
I dont know will you please tell me but one thing must be kept in mind that this time please share info from Ahle-Sunnat books not from brelvi books because according to your thought they are not in ahle-sunnat.
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I am not here bound to proof you that I am not Barelvi.
Being a Muslim it is enough for me that I don't tell lies.
When I say that I am not Barelvi it means that I am not Barelvi. Either you believe or not it will not make a change.
I have asked you
Can you define the word Barelvi?
Definition of Barelvi?
From where this term started, And what is the difference between Ahl e Sunnat and Barelvi?
And do you know about the Faith of Ahl e Sunnat?

When you say """"Ulama and Scholars""""" so please define the word Ulama and Scholars?
What is the definition?

"""""""""""my belief of Ahle-Sunnat wal Jamat is what I alredy said now you have to prove your defination of Ahle-Sunnat.""""""""""""

Please define it once again or point out what words define ?

'''''''''''I dont know will you please tell me but one thing must be kept in mind that this time please share info from Ahle-Sunnat books not from brelvi books because according to your thought they are not in ahle-sunnat.''''''''''

My wordings are that whoever will say "Ya RasoolAllah will be define as Ahl e Sunnat""
Not that barelvi did not say Ya RasoolAllah. so please just keep your record correct.
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Muhammad Irfan Kas17:18Edit
Ahl e Sunnat's point of views are according to Imam Ashari and Maturidi:


 It clearly says that Abdul Wahab Najadi Fitna was against the Muslim Sunni Scholars"""Ash'ari and Maturidi"""".
He was following """""""Ibn Taymiyya """"""" the scholar of Moatazilla.
with his home made philosophy and Moatazilla known as a wrong school of thought since very early in Ahl e Sunnat.


"""""""""Ibn Abd-al-Wahhab was influenced by the writings of Ibn Taymiyya and questioned the prevalent philosophical interpretations of Islam being the Ash'ari and Maturidi schools, claiming to rely on the Qur'an and the Hadith without speculative philosophy so as to not transgress beyond the limits of the early muslims known as the Salaf.[8] He attacked a "perceived moral decline and political weakness" in the Arabian Peninsula and condemned what he perceived as idolatry, the popular cult of saints, and shrine and tomb visitation""""""""""""
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Muhammad Irfan Kas17:24 (edited)Edit

According to Imam Shahrastani
These are the concepts (Faith) on which Ahl e Sunnat are having their roots.Muhammad Irfan Kas18:57Edit

This book will help you a lot to understand the Ahl e Sunnat.
And please do not say that I do not want to read a book.

http://irfankas.blogspot.com/2012/06/islamic-faith-islami-aqaid.html

Aamir WaheedYesterday 12:36
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Lanat ho shia par aur un kay sathion par jinhun nay Imam Hussain radi Allahu anhu ko shaheed kia. bus ab khush

Ringo KhanYesterday 23:46 (edited)
How saudi Arabia bullying into Syria and how many people killed by Saudi Arabia bullying in Syria...


And dear as you said that you are Wahhabi because you people didn't talk about Yazeed and I said that let the Ulama discussed this issue we should keep quiet on this issue. And You also set this point for decision to do a person Ahl-e-sunnat or Wahhabi.


Now open the link(http://irfankas.blogspot.com/2012/06/islamic-faith-islami-aqaid.html) of Islami Aqaid book that you shared to understand the Aqaid of Ahl-e-Sunnat...Now take a look on end of page 13 and start of page 14 it is broadly written their that according to Ahl-e-Sunnat(as you shared this for) we should'nt say any thing about Yazeed that it is Muslim or Non-Muslim because Imam Azam Abu Hanifa (rahmat-ullah alieh) didn't say anything about it. Now it is your shared book to judge the aqaid of Ahl-e-Sunnat not mine and accourding to that we people who remain salient on this issue are in Ahl-e-Sunnat so what..?




If you remove your personal differences which is the main issue, Wahhabi and Ahl-e-Sunnat is just a propaganda to apart the sunni muslims because as we follow one immam all Arabic countries are also followers of one imam among 4 imams of Fiqah hope you will understand....
May Allah give Hadayat to all of us...
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Muhammad Irfan Kas17:24Edit
My Dear it is written that we did not say anything to Yazeed by ourselves.
But if someone or some party start making Fitna by Justifying Yazeed as on the correct side, then it does not stop us to spread the truth. Because in this book before these lines it has already been mentioned about Yazeed's wrong deeds.
There it has also been mentioned that how Yazeedis have made blunders in history.
My Dear I always say that always share the full thing.
This is not for the first time that Ahl e Sunnat is facing the Half truth.
And Half Truth is a Lie. So always mention the full chapter not half, always give the full references.  
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Muhammad Irfan Kas17:38Edit
The Aqeeda is that Yazeed is a cursed person. He is not a Muslim but Fasiq and therefore be cursed. There is a difference between Fasiq and Non Muslim. But people here create Fitna by Justifying Yazeed and it is not matched with Ahl e Sunnat.
Ahl e Sunnat knows that he has been the person who martyred Hazrat Imam Hussain RadiAllah Anho. 

Muhammad Irfan Kas18:05Edit
Just tell me one thing what is your opinion about Yazeed?
Was he the reason that Hazrat Imam Hussain RadiAllah Anho was Martyred?
Muhammad Irfan Kas18:12Edit


What is the Definition of Alim?
In Quran it is wriitten that " Do not go towards Salat"Namaz".
And after this it is written that when you are in a drunk condition.

The references that you are posting and showing me from the book is just like the above Example, that when a person does not want to pray, he will took the half verse and he will say that see it is written in Quran that do not go towards Salat.

And for this kind of person there is no cure and no medicine to make him mentally fit.
Muhammad Irfan Kas20:53Edit
Invalid Answer
Please try again
Just tell me one thing what is your opinion about Yazeed?
Was he the reason that Hazrat Imam Hussain RadiAllah Anho was Martyred?

Muhammad Irfan Kas20:54Edit
In Quran it is wriitten that " Do not go towards Salat"Namaz".
And after this it is written that when you are in a drunk condition.


The references that you are posting and showing me from the book is just like the above Example, that when a person does not want to pray, he will took the half verse and he will say that see it is written in Quran that do not go towards Salat.


And for this kind of person there is no cure and no medicine to make him mentally fit.
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My discussion is not to change you.
People are here to decide themselves what is wrong and right on the knowledge they will get.
I think I have also posted this also.
And also this:

Mohib Saloh04:33
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+Muhammad Irfan Kas the man you are following is misguiding oyu
Muhammad Irfan Kas05:24Edit
+Mohib Saloh I have not asked for any Fatwa.
Ringo Khan07:14
+Muhammad Irfan Kas you are a Ziddi person and I have no cure for your Zidd... in spite of sharing your book shelf if you read only one book keenly that you are sharing, it automatically solve the problem...

Your aqida that you have, is yours not of ahl-e-sunnat and this is proved from your shared books...Now just beet about the bushes...and carry on...
Muhammad Irfan Kas07:22Edit
I have not asked for any Fatwa.

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Just tell me one thing what is your opinion about Yazeed?
Was he the reason that Hazrat Imam Hussain RadiAllah Anho was Martyred?
1. Yes
2. No
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Ringo Khan07:37 (edited)
It is you who are giving Fatwa not me As you said let the people decide who is wrong and who is right...   It is not necessary to answer this question for Ahl-e-Sunnat according to your shared book of  Imam Shahrastani
http://irfankas.blogspot.com/2012/03/imam-shahrastani-define-muslim-fiqh.html
Muhammad Irfan Kas07:37Edit
Invalid Answer
Please try again
Just tell me one thing what is your opinion about Yazeed?
Was he the reason that Hazrat Imam Hussain RadiAllah Anho was Martyred?
1. Yes
2. No



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